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derrickman
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http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/c916150.html

well, I haven't seen them before.....

''the stopes soared beyond the range of our caplamps' - David Bick...... How times change .... oh, I don't know, I've still got a lamp like that.

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Morlock
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15 years ago

Nice remains of a De Winton loco. 🙂

derrickman
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interesting to see the variety of locos in use. One pic ( the one of the unidentified Hunslet in the scrap road ) appears to show a Decauville?

''the stopes soared beyond the range of our caplamps' - David Bick...... How times change .... oh, I don't know, I've still got a lamp like that.

Penrhynman
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"derrickman" wrote:
interesting to see the variety of locos in use. One pic ( the one of the unidentified Hunslet in the scrap road ) appears to show a Decauville?

No Decauvilles at Penrhyn. See www.penrhynrailway.co.uk then Loco Data in the LH menu. Which photo are you referring to? I'll try to identify the not-Decauville.

Note the correct spelling Penrhyn - much better search results that way :confused:

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ragl
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15 years ago

Hi Derrickman,

If it is the picture showing what is believed to be Hunslet "Lilian", the loco immrediately behind is "Sgt Murphy", built by Kerr Stuart. "Sgt Murphy" was heavily rebuilt at Penrhyn, but the basic original outline of the loco is still recognisable. "Sgt Murphy" is a "Haig" class loco, which is a follow-on from the Kerr Stuart "Joffre" type, which in turn is a copy a Decauville type developed for the French Army during the first world War, so well spotted.

The Hunslet is "Lilian", you can just read the name on the plate.

Cheers

Alan

JohnnearCfon
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15 years ago

http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/c916150.html

Penrhynman
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"ragl" wrote:
Hi Derrickman,

"Sgt Murphy" was heavily rebuilt at Penrhyn, but the basic original outline of the loco is still recognisable.
Cheers

Alan

Other than the boiler and tanks being lowered after the 1932 (?) accident, was any other rebuilding done at Penrhyn?

When in the Ffestiniog's hands, 95% of the platework was replaced and the rear pony truck was added.

ragl
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15 years ago

That's right John, after the loco fell over on it's side at Penrhyn, it was rebuilt with the boiler & side tanks lower in the frames to lower the centre of gravity. Certainly in the rebuild at Boston Lodge, the boiler & tanks were re-positioned again, plus the trailing truck was installed under the cab. A ride on the loco along the Festiniog did not display any untoward antics by the loco. One wonders if it was a case of exceptional circumstances - rough track, etc - at Penrhyn that conspired to drop the engine off the track. I know the people on the Teifi Railway have been very happy with the engine's qualities.

cheers

Alan

Penrhynman
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"ragl" wrote:
One wonders if it was a case of exceptional circumstances - rough track, etc - at Penrhyn that conspired to drop the engine off the track.

The reasons for the accident, apart from rough track, were excessive speed around a tight curve which caused a surge in the water in the side tanks, making the loco unstable and it tipped over. The driver fell out and under the loco, which then bounced upwards enough for the driver to be pulled free. Sadly, he didn't survive his injuries.

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derrickman
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15 years ago

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"ragl" wrote:
Hi Derrickman,

If it is the picture showing what is believed to be Hunslet "Lilian", the loco immrediately behind is "Sgt Murphy", built by Kerr Stuart. "Sgt Murphy" was heavily rebuilt at Penrhyn, but the basic original outline of the loco is still recognisable. "Sgt Murphy" is a "Haig" class loco, which is a follow-on from the Kerr Stuart "Joffre" type, which in turn is a copy a Decauville type developed for the French Army during the first world War, so well spotted.

The Hunslet is "Lilian", you can just read the name on the plate.

Cheers

Alan

that's the bunny. I've seen the metre-gauge Decauville loco from Northants, and various Decauville pics. I've only seen Sgt Murphy in a couple of pics so I'm not really familiar with it, and of course the cab is missing in that pic.

lots of info on these locos;

http://www.djr12ecg.demon.co.uk/joffre.html

and of course Axe at the L&B is one

''the stopes soared beyond the range of our caplamps' - David Bick...... How times change .... oh, I don't know, I've still got a lamp like that.

Tamarmole
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15 years ago

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I had the pleasure of "cabbing" Sgt Murphy down at Teifi a couple of years ago - absolute magic 🙂