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the photo is not penrhyn adit sorry

I believe this is a photograph of the underground river channel under the Penrhyn quarry's old works at Felin Fawr. There are a number of similar photographs taken during the same survey to investigate their state as part of the on-going plans to rebuild part of the Penrhyn Railway.

Several other phographs taken at the same time are on this site but are the copyright of the Penrhyn Railway Heritage Trust, or a member thereof, not the person who posted them here.

Robin (W)

Several other phographs taken at the same time are on this site but are the copyright of the Penrhyn Railway Heritage Trust, or a member thereof, not the person who posted them here.

Robin (W)

Hi Robin
If you drop Simonrl or Vanoord a PM with details I'm sure either would be more than happy to help sort that out.

I've amended the annotation on the pictures.
They were sent to me by Peter who told me that they were of the drainage adit; were we talking at cross purposes?
Permission was sought and given before I put them in the album, hence "Thanks to Peter".
Edit. I also have a copy of the email (+ attachment) that gives permission for these pictures to be used in the manner in which they have been.

Gwyn, thanks for clearing up the matter of the source of the photos. It seems that the copyright is automatically assigned to the person who posts them when they are displayed here. Not of major importance as I doubt if anyone is going to make a fortune from them.

As I understand it, the watercourse is the river Galedffrwd (a tributary of the Ogwen) which flows under Felin Fawr - as seen here - and used to drive 3 waterwheels. One was removed some years ago, one is derelict and one shut away in a little building.

Cheers!
My understanding is that two of the wheels were running until 1965, one powering the saws, the other blowing the foundry. Both are untypical in that they are suspension wheels.
Was a siphon method used?
I'm also told that a final use was to be made of the water, to generate electricity with a turbine, in the old mill near Pont Sarnau. This was shelved with the death of Lord Penrhyn, a few years after the Strike.

Gwyn, thanks for clearing up the matter of the source of the photos. It seems that the copyright is automatically assigned to the person who posts them when they are displayed here. Not of major importance as I doubt if anyone is going to make a fortune from them.

That does cause some confusion occassionally.

Hopefully this will clear it up...

95% of photos uploaded to AditNow are uploaded by the person who took the photograph. Because images are available at the 'supersize' size and to protect the photographer's copyright all images at the largest size are automatically watermarked with the username of the person who uploaded them. At the smaller sizes this doesn't happen.

The remaining 5% of images are uploaded by somebody other than the original photographer. It's not possible to watermark these images with any name other than the person who uploaded them, hence the occassional confusion.

Where people have uploaded photos taken by others it's almost always either with the original photographer's permission or the photograph has been placed into the public domain. In both cases the person uploading the photograph almost always puts a note to that effect in the photograph description.

In Gwyn's case he'd sought prior permission and stated that in the descriptions.

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Cheers!
Both are untypical in that they are suspension wheels.
Was a siphon method used?
I'm also told that a final use was to be made of the water, to generate electricity with a turbine, in the old mill near Pont Sarnau. This was shelved with the death of Lord Penrhyn, a few years after the Strike.

My knowledge of waterwheels generally is not that great (time for some reading I suspect). So, "Suspension wheels" and "siphons" are a mystery to me. Hopefully, someone else will be able to answer these queries.

I do believe that one of the wheels was to generate electricity at Felin Fawr. In 1919, Felin Fawr was outside the supply area of Bethesda Electricity if I have read my map correctly.

😞 😞 sorry know were it is nowGaryj

I understand that one wheel is in a building on the eastern end of the site which has been secured to prevent deterioration. It was 26ft. in diam. and 4ft wide, the drive shaft and ring gear being intact when surveyed by a Plas Tanybwlch team in 2005. The wheel had 12 segments, each carrying 8 buckets and was constructed by Henry Sugden & Sons of Bramley, near Leeds. The wheel was complete with inlet pipes to a header tank over the wheel. I would therefore guess that these pipoes were fed by a siphon from the reservoir. The wheel discharged into a tail race which emptied into the common outfall chamber of the two culverts which carry the river. (Thanks to JonK for the original info.) I don't know anything about the others, apart from the fact that one protruded above ground level.

Anyone photographed them ?

The Dinorwic Museum wheel is another suspension wheel and it was described in "Industrial Gwynedd" Vol 4 (it also described the reconstruction of the Transporter Incline ).

Cheers

Grahami

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The wheel that is in a building was sealed up many years ago (pre 1992) It was like that when the area was listed. The CADW inspector was aware of it's location prior to his visit and got glimpses of it through various cracks in and around the windows etc. Strangely enough on his initial inspection he missed the wheel that was located out in the open (amongst piles of rubbish at the time). I was able to furnish him with additional information so he could locate it.

...... Strangely enough on his initial inspection he missed the wheel that was located out in the open (amongst piles of rubbish at the time). I was able to furnish him with additional information so he could locate it.

That's the one - photographs anyone ?

Pictures of the buildings are relevant to the quarry too.

Grahami

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Just returned from Felin Fawr.
The state of the water wheel, that is between the buildings, is heartbreaking (as is most of the site.) It is surrounded by plastic coated mesh that make it nigh on impossible to take a meaningful photograph. It's also used as a "rubbish receptacle". I would suggest that it's in a poorer state than it was six months ago.
I was unable to gain access to the small building to the E. that might contain another wheel. The chaps I spoke to didn't know who the key holder might be.
I'll return there when there is some blue sky and take some photographs, today was far from ideal.

Gwyn Gwynedd council on the land now. Garyj

Pity they didn't clear some of the rubbish dumped on the wheel before they went mad with the green fencing! Leaving that on top of it will not help it's survival, but encourage more damp and rot to set in!

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Just returned from Felin Fawr.
Could be waiting some time for blue skies!

Just returned from Felin Fawr.
The state of the water wheel, that is between the buildings, is heartbreaking (as is most of the site.)

Hopefully all this will begin to change soon.

The derelict waterwheel is of interest to many people and should be restored in time. Information and photographs are being assembled so that drawings can be produced. Access to the inside of the fence will be available to some later this year.

I know who the keyholder of the Eastern waterwheel building is and I hope to have access later this year. Many phootgraphs will be taken, of course.