Vanoord
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This pic appeared as a random one for me:

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It's Bryn Hafod Y Wern, which I initially thought that it may have been one of the pits that was opened up during the Great Miners Strike, but a bit of research in the Gazetteer proves me somewhat wrong!

Curiously, the pit was not self-draining and all slate was uphauled to the mill and the uphauled again to be tipped.

It was opened around 1780 and operated by the Pennants, but abandoned in 1845 and taken over by the Royal Bangor Slate Company - closing in 1884 when the Pennants shut off the water supply, a 5 mile long leat!

Flashearth http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.202543&lon=-4.051334&z=17.2&r=0&src=msl 

I can find very little on the Royal Bangor Slate Co. other than a reference to records held in Caernarfon http://193.132.104.74/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=B9841 
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16 years ago
Quite an amount of info. on this quarry can be found in Lindsay's North Wales Slate Industry. ISBN 0 7153 6264 X
It really is about time that this iconic tome was reprinted!
I'll put a small summary up in the next day or two.


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16 years ago
Richard Pennant, in 1784, obtained a Crown lease on the Hundred of Uchaf which included the parish of Llanllechid. In the same period he obtained the lease on Penybryn and built Port Penrhyn. This put independant slate producers at some disadvantage, which was further compounded when Dawkins Pennant in 1821 obtained the lease on the Hirael area and foreshore. Produce thus had to be carted to Bangor quay which I assume to be the area around and to the north of Dickies Boat Yard. Considerable assertions and dissent over the Uchaf lease lead to a Parliamentary Enquiry in 1822. Atkinson, Walker, Farey and others reported. Farey's report was unfavourable to the Pennant family. W. Hazeldine reported to Pennant that Bryn Hafod-y-wern was being well worked by J. Greenfield and 25 men but it seemed unlikely to find the valuable Penrhyn slate veins and that the quarries should be abandoned. In 1823, J. Trimmer from Middlesex, applied to the Crown for the lease of the Llanlechid quarries, which were awarded in 1824, when at the same time, Stanton reported that the valuable slate was unlikely to be found and that Penrhyn had fulfilled the terms of his lease. In 1825 John Evans ( Cilgwyn etc) had a tack note on the quarry. The Royal Bangor Slate Company Ltd. was established in London in 1845 and took over the working.Several attempts and much discussion between 1846 and 1854 failed to connect (at Abergwyngregyn) the quarry with the Chester-Holyhead railway. In 1852 the company became the Bangor Royal Slate Company. In 1873 100 men were employed. In 1882, 65 men produced 2198 tons of produce, in 1883 54 men produced 1263 tons.
Closure is variously reported in 1884 and 1885 but certainly the water supply was cut off on Monday, May, 27.1889.
Industrial unrest is documented in 1879, '81, '83 and '86 which might account for the assorted closure dates.
The quarry was surrounded by Penrhyn land and this peculiar situation was long a bone of contention both for the abstraction of water as well as deposition of waste water. The leat could well date from the time of Richard Pennant and is quite a bit of work. It starts at the headwaters of the Caseg, picks up the Afon Wen, follows the contours below Drosgyl and Gyrn Wigau and joins the headwaters of Afon Ffrydlas and runs around the S.W. side of Gyrn to the two reservoirs to the E. of the quarry.
carnkie
16 years ago
Actually the GE shot in the album is pretty good.

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16 years ago
Knowing the terrain there, it is indeed odd that the waste was uphauled - but I suppose only to be expected given the land ownership issues.

Thank you, Gwyn, for the information :thumbsup:

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16 years ago
The land below, to the west of the quarry is good agricultural land and I suspect that the spoil from Pennant's/Greenfield's working was deposited on the south side, where the land is not so good. I further suspect that under Pennant it was not much more than an exploratory trial and of course, considerably smaller than the remains we see today. No doubt the Pennants had an influence on the boundaries that were created when the lease was surrendered and would have done their best to put any competition at any disadvantage that could be created.
The use of water-power in the smaller quarries of Dyffryn Ogwen has been well studied by J.LL. Williams and D. Jenkins and episodically published in the Transactions of the Caernarfonshire Historical Society in no's. 54, 56 &57.
Indeed...."a rock and a hard place"!
mountainpenguin
16 years ago
I have been here quite a bit. There are a few odd bits like the two trees in a loan field next to the tip.
I have always been very curious about the tip at the top of the incline:
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.191843&lon=-4.052944&z=19.4&r=0&src=msl 
was this another case of carrying slate up a mountain to dispose of it ?
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"mountainpenguin" wrote:

I have always been very curious about the tip at the top of the incline: http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.191843&lon=-4.052944&z=19.4&r=0&src=msl  was this another case of carrying slate up a mountain to dispose of it ?



Certainly looks like it! Is that one of the mines opened up by striking miners?

If I recall correctly, that tip is on Common Land?
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mountainpenguin
16 years ago
yes I think your correct.
I have been told that all the villagers have grazing rights there!
got a spare larma ?
The incline is quite solid and there are some remains of a building at the top but no indication of a hole of any kind.

There is a trial quarry near by and behind the hill there is an old railway that runs up towards Moel Wnion
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16 years ago
Mountainpenguin, your link to "the tip at the top of the incline" isn't Bryn hafod-y-wern!! It had me totally mystified, although, I have to admit that I didn't pan the image out.
I've just spent the afternoon at Bryn and had a good, long talk with Mr. Jones at the farm. More later. :thumbup:

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