SimplyExploring
16 years ago
They did say to me a few months ago that they were not concerned with the site at present as they had too much going on. On other sites up north. They were very happy to sit and await on the application.

Will give them a call and see what the future plans are now. It may be they just sit and wait and ride the recession out.
Penygadair
15 years ago
Excuse addition from someone who knows nothing about mining but who knows, and cherishes, the area.

I believe that the Natural Retreats development is dead in the water. They have just the one site in the UK - Yorkshire Dales - which is outside the National Park, but have now opened sites in the Irish Republic. I guess they met with opposition to all their proposed developments in U.K National Parks.

Personally I've always been in favour of something being made out of the original mill site ruins by Rhaeadr Mawddach, possibly by tidying up the ruins and providing some interpretative info on the site. Bit of a seating or picnic area perhaps. Given popularity with walkers to the falls here, it might retain something of the heritage.

At one stage there was an idea of a 'Gold Mine Centre' in Dolgellau but this fell flat - for what reason I don't know - and the building proposed for this is now a car showroom.

Unfortunately there is not a great deal of public interest in the old gold mines but I personally feel that some focal point of interest should be provided.

Incidentally, recent walks have shown that all the abandoned gold workings around Foel Ispri - above Llanelltyd - have been fenced off and provided with warning notices, presumably as a statutory requirement.

Someone touched on pollution and I'm given to understand that in the Gwynfynydd area it's not from the mine, but from disused army ordnance on the old Bronaber ranges which is seeping into the Afon Gain.
John Mason
15 years ago
There is a significant pollution issue @ Gwynfynydd due to acid mine drainage. The lodes (especially the Main Lode) carry a lot of pyrite & marcasite which weathers readily.

The fences at Foel Ispri and at other old gold-mines around the area were put up on behalf of the Crown Estates when the CROW Act came into being, in an attempt to minimise liability.

Cheers - John
Vanoord
15 years ago
A quick update: I believe that although the planning application was either withdrawn or expired in some way, the project is still being considered.

The issue that is causing the problem is - wait for it... - lichen!

Apparently the Countryside Council for Wales have an officer who is particularly keen on lichens and is doing all she can to prevent development of any sort as it could damage various lichens that are growing on the tree trunks on the site.

I assure you I'm not making this up! ๐Ÿ˜‰
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JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
Oh well, it makes a change from bats or crested newts! :guns:
carnkie
15 years ago
Rather depends whether you like Blackberries in Custard. ๐Ÿ˜‰
http://www.treeforall.org.uk/Wales/News/Rare+lichen.htm 
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AR
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15 years ago
I was browsing through Viz in WH Smiths the other day and the current issue has a cartoon entitled "The Stig of the Dump" which I was reminded of by this....
Follow the horses, Johnny my laddie, follow the horses canny lad-oh!
Gwyn
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15 years ago
So, what species of lichen?
davel
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15 years ago
Dunno guv ...

The Ecological Assessment Report (section 6.9) for the original planning application just says:
Quote:

Lichens, Bryophytes and Mosses โ€“ The broad-leaved woodland on site contains a diverse range of Lichens, Bryophytes and Mosses associated with trees, rock outcrops and dead wood. A number of moss and lichen species were also identified associated with the wet heath area to the west of the site. Consultation with CCW has also identified important Lichen and Bryophyte assemblages found associated with mine spoil on the site.



Dave
JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
That paragraph is a load of hot air, it tells you absolutely nothing but takes a whole paragraph to do it!
stuey
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15 years ago
I've got a mate who is an environmental-council-socialist.

All I can say is that with people like that on board, they won't be happy until they have driven us all back into bartering and eating berries.

For positions of this sort, any sort of real life grounding or appreciation of economics should be a pre-requisite. It's just another parasite on the blank chequebook of the public sector and a spanner in the works of the economy.

Obviously pollution and conservation are very important indeed, but the administrators need to retain a sense of perspective.
JohnnearCfon
15 years ago
Maybe the site owners should get a few dog walkers to go around amongst the trees,
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=4039 
that will sort the problem out!
Jimbo
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15 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

Maybe the site owners should get a few dog walkers to go around amongst the trees,
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=4039 
that will sort the problem out!



As will several gallons of weedkiller & a sprayer ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Jasonbirder
15 years ago
Would we really have the attitude that its better to cut everything down...dig everything up...concrete everything over...just so a few people can grub a few extra ยฃs out of everything...
I like to get Underground somewhere nice...with a nice walk in to the mine/cave and appreciate the countryside!
JohnnearCfon
13 years ago
"davel" wrote:

The planning application NP5/60/6J to build 22 "Eco" type lodges at Gwynfynydd has been withdrawn by the applicant.

The related application NP5/60/6H for a two storey side extension to Ty Mawr (the mine managerโ€™s house) and change of its use from dwelling to two holiday units is, I believe still current.

Dave



The planning application (NP5/60/6H) for Ty Mawr was refused on 07-Oct-2009
Alasdair Neill
13 years ago
A few months had a chance encounter with a dog on Bodmin Moor, the owner turned out to be Mrs Daniels. Had an interesting conversation about her memories of the time the Daniels were working at Gwynfynydd, I was doing geological mapping in the area at the time.
Manicminer
13 years ago
I'm sure her memories are different to other people's memories from that time
Gold is where you find it
Ty Gwyn
13 years ago
"Alasdair Neill" wrote:

A few months had a chance encounter with a dog on Bodmin Moor, the owner turned out to be Mrs Daniels. Had an interesting conversation about her memories of the time the Daniels were working at Gwynfynydd, I was doing geological mapping in the area at the time.




Presume you mean Charlie and Robin Daniels,sound bunch of boys.

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