Cambrian slate mine. · AditNow Community

Lister
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17 years ago

Hiya all.
I took a trip down Cambrial slate mine at the weekend but found photography extremly difficult due to the amount of 'fog' mostly in the larger chambers!
Does anyone know if this is unique to Cambrian or just a problem at certain times of year as I would like to return to get some better pics.
...Lister;~) ::)

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merddinemrys
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17 years ago

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I've no idea, but if you go again its somewhere I'd very much like to visit. What's access like?

LAP
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17 years ago

#3

I don't think it's to do with the time of year, sertain slate mines just have a "mistyness" to them, best thing is to use a long exposure when taking pics

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simonrl
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17 years ago

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I've always found (in N Wales anyway) the metal mines to be foggier than the slate mines. Always put it down to smaller spaces and warmer air. Probably utter nonsense though 😉

my orders are to sit here and watch the world go by

Captain Scarlet
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17 years ago

#5

I have to admit, I have noticed a lot of mistyness recently, but just put it down to the recent warm weather.

STANDBY FOR ACTION!!!!...

Lister
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17 years ago

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Access is very easy, only a couple of mins from the road but only space for one car. A scramble down a steep slope & your in! It's not too big but interesting all the same. I'll be going back in a few weeks after a holiday in the sun so will give you a shout. Wellies recommended!
...Lister;~) 😉

'Adventure is just bad planning' Roald Amundsen

simonrl
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17 years ago

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On Cambrian mine, you might like this http://www.divernet.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?id=6061§ion=1045&action=display and when you've read that go read The Darkness Beckons 😉

my orders are to sit here and watch the world go by

hymac580c
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17 years ago

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Is this the mine where you enter from a forest track down into an open chamber with a large tank in it? Or enter by a metal pipe further down? If so we went there about 10 years ago and was very damp and wet then. Lot of lose rock if I remember correctly.

Bellach dim ond swn y gwynt yn chwibian, lle bu gynt yr engan ar cynion yn tincian.

grahami
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17 years ago

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I'm assuming this is the Cambrian at Glyn Ceiriog, if so, this is the same rock as the Wynne, lower down, and very badly affected by exposure to the air and weather. There's a nice reproduction (in colour!) of the abandonment plan in John Milner's book.

Cheers

Grahami

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Lister
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17 years ago

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Yeah thats the one near Glyn Ceiriog off the forest track. I guess i'll have another trip when the weathers a bit different & invest in some books! Thanks for all your infomation guys 😉
...Lister;~)

'Adventure is just bad planning' Roald Amundsen

carnkie
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17 years ago

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"simonrl" wrote:
I've always found (in N Wales anyway) the metal mines to be foggier than the slate mines. Always put it down to smaller spaces and warmer air. Probably utter nonsense though ;)

Well, it normally gets foggier the cooler the air. But that's only if visibility is reduced by water vapour of course. 😉

The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.

LAP
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17 years ago

#12

I found the diving site very interesting, does anyone know of anyone on this site who does do cave/mine diving?

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

simonrl
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17 years ago

#13

JohnnyM has a few contacts (well friend of my sister's really) who do big foreign cave diving / caving explorations. Don't first hand know anybody who specifically dives mines though.

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LAP
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17 years ago

#14

Ah interesting stuff, I wouldn't mind doing it myself, take a lot of training though but from what I've read it can be very rewarding...

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

carnkie
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17 years ago

#15

Rewarding in what what way? Surely diving in a natural environment would be more so?

The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.

Moorebooks
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17 years ago

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I think you will find that Martyn Farr has dived Cambrian - I saw him at Hidden Earth last year when he described what he found. As you would expect all the chambers are linked at a lower level and there are rails, windlas and usual slate equipment in place although quite a few rails had been stripped out.

With regards to foggy photography remember Cambrian has a live stream running through it and the mine therefore has its own unique humidty you just have to be there at the right times to avoid this - don't ask me when

Mike

carnkie
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17 years ago

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"Moorebooks" wrote:

With regards to foggy photography remember Cambrian has a live stream running through it and the mine therefore has its own unique humidty you just have to be there at the right times to avoid this - don't ask me when

Mike

That's quite interesting. Assuming this unique humidity is higher than average due to the stream it would still be stable. Therefore any variation could be due to the air that ventilates the mine. Simplistically if the 'outside' air has a high vapour pressure the combination of the two may reach a point that reduces the visibility. Ergo, go down on a dry sunny day. Of course if you do and it's still 'foggy' all this is tosh. 🙂

The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.

Moorebooks
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17 years ago

#18

The chambers are off to the side of the stream passage and therefore are always damp and although ventilated the air can also be very still. I think you could be correct re outside air temperatues but equally the stream water temperature changes will also have an effect.

carnkie
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17 years ago

#19

Yes I think it's probably due to a combination of factors. The temp. of the water; the temp. and vapour pressure of the 'outside' air and the movement, or lack of, air in the chambers. In sum, any factors that could affect the humidity within the chambers. I wouldn't have thought the temp. of the stream would vary all that much but then a slight variation could be all that it needs. Does the temp. in the chambers vary much?

The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.

LAP
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17 years ago

#20

"carnkie" wrote:
Rewarding in what what way? Surely diving in a natural environment would be more so?

In some ways yes, but you would be seeing mine workings that hardly anyone visits (in most cases) and areas which have been untouched possibly with interesting artifacts as is described on the website. I spose that cave diving gives the same kind of thrill though...

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai