Wormster
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At last somebody's done it and gone to photograph the bridge.

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I've been waiting for this for ages.

One day I hope to get back up to Ogewn Bank with some large sheets of paper and some crayons and do some rubbings, just like when I were a wee laddie staying at my friends place in Carebethlan terrace back in the 70's.
Better to regret something you have done - than to regret something you have not done.
Gwyn
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17 years ago
Thanks, Wormster, I'm glad you appreciate it. I had my doubts as to the relevance of this kind of image on Aditnow but I would contend that such momentoes are equally relevant as the workings themselves!
There are many such examples in the area ; I suspect that I observe an acceleration in their loss.
The Carved Slates of Dyffryn Ogwen by Gwenno Caffell.
National Museum of Wales.1983. ISBN 0 7200 0278 8
may be of interest to you.
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[img]http://www.aditnow.co.uk/showimage?f=/community/Penrhyn-Slate-Mine-User-Album-Image-056/[/img]

Is it me or has the water level risen? Theres a lot of dust contamination in the water, should be treated more :lol:

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Gwyn
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17 years ago
Gee! That was a rapid reply!
The water level had reached higher, my guess being about 6am.
Interestingly, the water in the quarry was its usual, sky blue colour with no sign of turbidity. A thermo/halo/? cline, perhaps?
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17 years ago
"Gwyn" wrote:

Gee! That was a rapid reply!
The water level had reached higher, my guess being about 6am.
Interestingly, the water in the quarry was its usual, sky blue colour with no sign of turbidity. A thermo/halo/? cline, perhaps?



thanks for the quick reply. It could have been silt etc thats gradually built up in the tunnel, though it does seem rather a lot. How long is this tunnel can I ask?

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[img]http://www.aditnow.co.uk/showimage?f=/community/Penrhyn-Slate-Mine-User-Album-Image-042/[/img]

Gwyn.. is it possible to get to the cabin in this pic without having a Dumper truck dump slate waste down the quarryside? The tip doesnt look used, but there is some very loose looking rock up there..

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linden
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Lliaws a bwyllaf - LĂ­ows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Gwyn
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17 years ago
I do not wish to appear unresponsive but Penrhyn is a working quarry and this is a public forum!
LAP
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17 years ago
"Gwyn" wrote:

I do not wish to appear unresponsive but Penrhyn is a working quarry and this is a public forum!



i understand, could we discuss this somewhere else??

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Lliaws a bwyllaf - LĂ­ows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

grahami
17 years ago
Some quick notes on the drainage tunnel:
Main drainage tunnel length given as 1,837 yds (Quarry's own figure) -
Driven by George Twigge & Co of Bangor in 1848. Begun in 1843, Took 5 years to dig, including one bad stretch in wet mud which took 18 months. Adit bears keystone dated 1849. Water balance adits were hand dug and took over a year to dig 200 yds.

There was a 100ft deep shaft near CoedyParc from the foot of which two lengths were driven, one towards the River Ogwen below TanyGastell and the other towards the quarry. The adit was at the level of what became the Sebastopol gallery.

From the quarry plan of the 1950’s, it would appear that the adit was not driven all the way into the Twll, but eventually terminated slightly closer to the twll than the later position of the final Sebastopol balance. It may be that what became the final Sebastopol balance tunnel was originally driven from the twll to connect with the drainage adit. (I say final Sebastopol balance, because there is some debate that the George and Douglas balances were originally named Sebastopol and Fitzroy, the names subsequently being transferred to the current pair.)

Regarding the dust suspension in the drainage, as there is only one drainage adit, I would imagine that at times water can drain into the sinc faster than it can flow out through the adit, so the water level in the sinc rises. This would significantly increase the flow through the adit for a time, and disturb the silt in the adit - with the effects observed. The report I had a few years ago was that there was an awful lot of silt in the tunnel - for the flow only increases when the water level rises rapidly!

Graham


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Gwyn
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17 years ago
Thank you for that, really interesting.
I realised, after my previous post, that this subject was partially dealt with in the Penrhyn Adit (Photo) thread that was started by LAP, 14/11/07.
Was the mud that was encountered the remains of Llyn Meurig?
The adit issues into the Ogwen below Tanysgafell or at least that is the "correct", present day spelling and name. Is the name you have used, Tanygastell, a mistake, or is it an older name, maybe pre-dating the Quarry?
grahami
17 years ago
My spelling probably a typing error - just cut and pasted from another document I wrote on the water balances and the drainage system. And, if I remember correctly, that was part of a quote from someone else as well. I'll check my maps.
EDIT: 25" OS National Grid Edition has Tanysgafell, 25" OS County series had Tan-ysgrafell

The mud was supposedly from the remains of an ancient glacial lake - at the time of digging Llyn Meurig would still have existed on the surface!

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Gwyn
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17 years ago
Thank you. I can find no reference to "gastell", whatsoever. It immediately caught my eye, as there might have been a connection (linguistic or otherwise) with T'yn Twr. Tower/Castle.
Tanysgafell is probably the prefered, modern spelling.
Ysgafell (ledge) I assume, refers to the railway/tramway.
Gwyn
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17 years ago
The drainage adit's outflow is checked daily with samples being taken to ensure compliance with discharge stipulations from the Environment Agency.
It was also inferred that the length of the adit is periodically checked....in drier weather!
grahami
17 years ago
I seriously doubt that anyone checks the tunnels - if they had they would have had fits at the rubbish dumped down the old balance shafts. Also actually walking the drainage adit would certainly stir up the silt, producing a discharge like the one in the photo!

Graham
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Gwyn
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17 years ago
That's what I would have thought! I instantly thought of what you have said in the past and asked how it is accessed, thinking it may even require an amphibious approach! I was told that access is gained from the George level.
grahami
17 years ago
Yes the George and Sebastopol levels are both connected to the main drainage adit, which (as I remarked above) does not actually reach the sinc itself. The Sebastopol level is actually connected to it twice. The most northerly - and probably the original breakthrough - was sealed by a wall as it was downstream of the original bulkhead in the adit, and indeed the bulkhead was worked from the Sebastopol level by a cable. The other connection is further south and is a continuation of the connecting level (water only - not traffic) from the George level. How these are connected (vertically) to the Douglas and Fitzroy levels is an interesting point to which I have devoted some mental energy. But I'm getting off the point. My remarks about the silt also apply to the George-Sebastopol connecting level.

Graham
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17 years ago
aha.. something that might interest you both...
Ive just found a 70s pic of my dads of Penrhyn.. Im just about to Scan the negative, along with some old slate museum pics.

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Lliaws a bwyllaf - LĂ­ows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

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17 years ago
uploaded it and a couple of the dinorwig ones, you can just see the blondin on the left...
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Lliaws a bwyllaf - LĂ­ows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Gwyn
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17 years ago
Thanks, LAP. It's a great pity that the Penrhyn picture is so badly eaten by fungus. Have you tried cleaning/washing it with lighter fluid? It won't "restore" it but it should kill off the fungus especially if followed by short exposure to U.V. Sunlight (what's that?) should do it. I've never "Photoshopped" such a degraded image but I'm sure that there are those who have.
Also, it's interesting to see Braich Melyn before its capture by the Forestry Commission plantings which were given their first, economic thinning a year or two ago.
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17 years ago
"Gwyn" wrote:

Thanks, LAP. It's a great pity that the Penrhyn picture is so badly eaten by fungus. Have you tried cleaning/washing it with lighter fluid? It won't "restore" it but it should kill off the fungus especially if followed by short exposure to U.V. Sunlight (what's that?) should do it. I've never "Photoshopped" such a degraded image but I'm sure that there are those who have.
Also, it's interesting to see Braich Melyn before its capture by the Forestry Commission plantings which were given their first, economic thinning a year or two ago.



Ill try and clean it up a bit..
still have 4 more dinorwig pics to upload from inside slate museum.

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - LĂ­ows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

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