JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
Nice photo, I wonder what th lococmotive is?...

Photograph:

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grahami
18 years ago
Photo is taken at foot of Tuxford Incline in Chamber 3 New vein - before this area and the lower part of the incline was enclosed in archway. Track on right goes through wall to New Robey, tracks ahead to levels through to Old vein and Old Robey Incline. Tuxford incline is behind photographer. Track on left goes through south New Vein level back to mills, was main route until instability of open workings bon threatened it and resulted in the building of the archways, retianing walls etc. Probably dates to period before WW 1

Grahami
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grahami
18 years ago
Oops, was typing without looking - you can't see the track on the left, its out of shot, will post appropriate photo in the Votty archive in a minute.

Grahami
The map is the territory - especially in chain scale.
grahami
18 years ago
Ok - had a good stare at this. The loco is i/c, which dates it post WW1, but before the arching. The loco is one of a number of secondhand ones purchased by Votty. There's a sequence of it hauling slabs out of the C floor level in the same publicity film I did the shots of Tuxford from. I'll see if I can extract a couple later. There's also some footage on it of llechwedd's blondin in action.

Grahami
The map is the territory - especially in chain scale.
JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
The loco in the film you mention (I take it you mean "Roof over Your Head" is a 1936 Ruston & Hornsby number 177638. I know it is that loco because of the distinctive "fenders" (sorry to use an American term, but it seems to describe them better). It did service at Oakely, Fotty before being sold to Maen Offeren from whom I purchased it in 1975.

The loco in the photo is not that loco.
grahami
18 years ago
Quite right - but there is another loco on the film. I've uploaded a couple of shots of it to the Foty Archive. I think this is the one you can see in the photo. The Ruston looks decidely new in the film, so I'm guessing the date of the film is 1936 or so.

Grahami
The map is the territory - especially in chain scale.
JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
I understand it is 1937! That is what I was told when I watched it at British Film Institute in London. It is listed in their catalogue as 1937. Well done that man! 😉
JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
Ah yes, I have just looked at GrahamI's new photos. Common sense would have suggested looking at them before my last post! Never mind.

That loco with the visible flywheel in the side is a Deutz petrol loco. F & B had four of them, built in 1912, 13, plus another two built c1917. One was rebuilt into a battery loco by F & B, two were scrapped and one was transferred to Aberllefenni and was regauged.

Incidentally, the Ruston 177638 must have been filmed at Oakeley, as it wasn't transferred to F & B until sometime between 1953 and 1960.
Vanoord
18 years ago
Not manging to work out where this is, I assume that the building on the left was lost a long while back?

The rockface has moved a fair bit back, so I presume that all that can be seen has been worked away by now. Bowydd seems to have changed a lot over recent decades, but I suspect it's pretty minor compared to the havoc wreaked at Oakeley.
Hello again darkness, my old friend...
grahami
18 years ago
Strangely the rockface hasn't moved back much since this was taken - indeed, it didn't move back much from about 1889 - until recently, anyway. If you look at the shot I posted to the archive, which is looking down the Tuxford incline sometime before WW1, you can see the building in the chamber. I guess when the arching was constructed over the foot of Tuxford and into the New Vein chamber the building was buried - the arching being constructed within the chamber and then covered with rubble to try and safeguard the incline from the collapsing quarry bon over it.

Needs a drawing to explain it properly - I'll do one.

Grahami
The map is the territory - especially in chain scale.
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