simonrl
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17 years ago
😞 Whoops, just realised I posted that photo already. It may or may not be the lake in question.


[tweak]And a fine picture it is too! For those who weren't there, it was taken with a Canon Ixus and a handheld flash - this is the only one of the 20 or so I took which actually got the flash and the shutter in sync! - vanoord[/tweak]
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hymac580c
17 years ago
This is an aerial view of Rhosydd in 1949 with the roof intact.

[img]http://www.aditnow.co.uk/showimage?f=/community/Personal-Album-106-Image-010/[/img]

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Vanoord
17 years ago
"LAP" wrote:

Number 9 adit to the twylls - enter by the adit - in to the turntable, take the right fork and turn left up the scree, near to the top is a short tunnel on the right, through this to a rubble slope and a low roof, up the rubble and you will find the boot. you are now in the twylls, and the rest of rhosydd is open to you - including through to the 'chamber of death'.

The left turn at the turntable leads to a dead end and a sump, although there is a draft i have never explored it. There is a lake waiting for a crossing - dinghy hunting...



I'm pretty sure that's the lake in question - iirc Mr.Simply Emploring has been across, but it leads nowhere in particular.
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17 years ago
"Vanoord" wrote:

"LAP" wrote:

Number 9 adit to the twylls - enter by the adit - in to the turntable, take the right fork and turn left up the scree, near to the top is a short tunnel on the right, through this to a rubble slope and a low roof, up the rubble and you will find the boot. you are now in the twylls, and the rest of rhosydd is open to you - including through to the 'chamber of death'.

The left turn at the turntable leads to a dead end and a sump, although there is a draft i have never explored it. There is a lake waiting for a crossing - dinghy hunting...



I'm pretty sure that's the lake in question - iirc Mr.Simply Emploring has been across, but it leads nowhere in particular.


ok thanks for info!
I noticed there are a few chambers coming off the no9 adit before it reaches the main workings, one of which comes in close contact to the eastern workings. Anyone taken a look here?



cheers

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JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
"LAP" wrote:



I noticed there are a few chambers coming off the no9 adit before it reaches the main workings, one of which comes in close contact to the eastern workings. Anyone taken a look here?

Linden



You have to bare in mind that what may appear on a 2 dimensional plan as being adjacent, may in fact, in 3 dimensions be at a different (in this case lower) level or levels.
grahami
17 years ago
"JohnnearCfon
You have to bare in mind that what may appear on a 2 dimensional plan as being adjacent, may in fact, in 3 dimensions be at a different (in this case lower) level or levels.[/quote wrote:



Yep - that's why original plans of slate mines used different colours for different floors. Where the plans are monochrome, then different styles of chain-dotting are used to indicate different floors. The plan in "Rhosydd Slate Quarry" which is only in outline and small scale was printed in two colours, the adits being printed in red to make the distinction clear. Thus on the original it is clear that the "Back Vein" chambers A west and A and B East are on floor 9, while they overlie chambers A B and C east on floor 13 - at a great depth below.

It's one of the problems of publishing - especially of large mines!

Graham


The map is the territory - especially in chain scale.
grahami
17 years ago
Just noticed that the Keswick Mining Museum list includes "Rhosydd Slate Quarry" by Lewis & Denton - I presume this is the adit Publications edition. If anyone's interested, they might be worth a call to see if they still have it.
(The same list also has "Slate from Blaenau Ffestiniog" by yours truly)
http://keswickminingmuseum.co.uk/Book%20Listing/Wales%20staffordshire%20book%20listing.htm 


Also this one on Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0952297906/ref=sr_1_olp_1/026-3085709-6901207?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194427775&sr=1-1 
Graham
The map is the territory - especially in chain scale.
Vanoord
17 years ago
"grahami" wrote:

Also this one on Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0952297906/ref=sr_1_olp_1/026-3085709-6901207?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194427775&sr=1-1 
Graham



Cheers Graham!

Not there any more...
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Barney
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17 years ago
Did they have it Vanoord?
They have kept it on there list for ages but not always had a copy!
Anyway, if you lot were up at 2am a few weeks ago you would have got a brand new copy! hee hee!!
Vanoord
17 years ago
"Barney" wrote:

Did they have it Vanoord? They have kept it on there list for ages but not always had a copy!
Anyway, if you lot were up at 2am a few weeks ago you would have got a brand new copy! hee hee!!



Well... if one appears here then yes, otherwise no!

2am? Do tell....
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17 years ago
Umm.. we've discussed ways to get in from the surface to the east of Rhosydd, though it could also be accessed from underground by doing a rather 'major' dig. I suppose it's a question of what bit would be easiest to dig out... it might not happen for a long time, but it's a start


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Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Barney
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17 years ago
The problem with digging is that you will be trying to move huge lumps of rock, from the bottom, with more on top of them.
I think the collapse has filled up about 3 floors, so there is more chance of crawling and squeeeeeezing, the bigger the rocks, the easier it will be!
LAP
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17 years ago
"Barney" wrote:

The problem with digging is that you will be trying to move huge lumps of rock, from the bottom, with more on top of them.
I think the collapse has filled up about 3 floors, so there is more chance of crawling and squeeeeeezing, the bigger the rocks, the easier it will be!



Ok thanks for the info Barney, I didn't realise it took place on three floors in the same place! Has anyone actually been to where the collapse is?


regardos
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Barney
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17 years ago
The rock from above spills onto floor 6, 7, 8 (A &B) and 9, so there is going to be a hell of a lot! If you recognise this pic (just after turning left at the end of 9 adit) there is a chamber behind it, this is the extent of the fall and it continues all the way to the far end until you can go no further

[img]http://www.aditnow.co.uk/showimage?f=/community/Rhosydd-Slate-Mine-29-04-1999-Image-005/[/img]

I think the roof fell and the rock tumbled down the chambers probably obliterating all the artefacts that are expected to be there - i do hope im wrong though!
merddinemrys
17 years ago
We could always get a tunnelling machine and start boring a tunnel! Apparently a machine from one of the attempts at a Channel Tunnel was exposed a couple of years back due to coastal erosion - we could restore it!

Any takers?
LAP
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17 years ago
"merddinemrys" wrote:

We could always get a tunnelling machine and start boring a tunnel! Apparently a machine from one of the attempts at a Channel Tunnel was exposed a couple of years back due to coastal erosion - we could restore it!

Any takers?



yes... transporting it might be a bit difficult, great idea though! I suppose a Bulldozer could do the job 'in a very long time'..
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

merddinemrys
17 years ago
Ah, but we'd relay the Croesor Tramway to transport it there. The Welsh Highland Railway is fast approaching Croesor Junction from the north so we could extend from there.
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17 years ago
:lol: :lol: I'd like to see 31 tons of Whittaker tunnel boring machine being hoisted up the Jacob's ladder incline, what with the ffestiniog railway's health and safety!
JohnnearCfon
17 years ago
Once you get to just before the foot of the Lower Parc Incline it is no longer part of the FR empire, the croesor tramway beyond that point was never taken over by the WHR. In effect it was Croesor Tramway below that point and croesor tramway above that point (note with and without capitals). The story of ownership below the changeover is a bit more complicated than that. Equally it is complicated above it too but for differing reasons!
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17 years ago
Mite be easier to drive a bulldozer up the rhosydd track, and down the no 9 adit. :lol:
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

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