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9 years ago
Good morning,

Please can anyone provide any information about mine workings along Sandy Lane, Redruth.

The area I am interested in is where Sandy Lane joins to St Day Road, and where Sandy Lane joins to Raymond Road.

I know that there is an old mine nearby, Grambler and St Aubyn and that there is a shaft marked on the county council map.

Any information gratefully received.

Thanks
rufenig
9 years ago
First
Please remember we are not a replacement for a full building survey!
What is your interest? historical, or property there?

The 1908 map shows a couple of shafts, so by inference mine workings in that area.
No information on depths or extent. (Others my add to this.)
Have a look at this.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/105995632 
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9 years ago
Thank you for your reply and for the map. My interest is property.

I have read these forums for years and I know users are very knowledgeable, so I hoped some of you might be willing to share your knowledge. I am aware that some shafts have opened up there in recent years.

I am having full surveys carried out, please do not worry. Being local I know full well it is essential.

I have been looking at this map:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101439233 
It shows more shafts and a quarry on the junction of Sandy Lane and St Day Road, Redruth. These are not shown on the 1908 map- I wonder why?

Thank you for any other information.
rufenig
9 years ago
Your map was surveyed quite a bit earlier (1878) than the 1908 large scale map.
Perhaps some sites had been cleared by the time the later survey was done.

I am sure that local historians will add more information later.
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9 years ago
Thank you, that's very helpful.
Tony Blair
9 years ago
Sandy lane is the problem end of Redruth. It's also very old.

1. The Ordnance Survey maps only give you a part of the picture as many of the earlier shafts were obliterated.

2. The mine plans of Wheal Sparnon and Pedn-an-drea cannot be considered to be complete. (and are not complete) although one of them (I forget the code) is very good - it's a bit more of an overview.

3. The area maps MRO-A contain some of the tin bounds areas. These don't contain shafts, but they were recorded as workings. Anything could occur within them.

4. A good indicator as to the whereabouts of the major structures in the area are the Symons "area maps". These show the main lodes or where you're likely to have a downstairs.

All of these combined are good enough to distinguish between slight risk and moderate/severe.

The areas you speak of do have issues and it's a fair probability that you would need to factor in a part of a drilling investigation in order to clear a house for lending (They insist). This is in the order of £3k. Your mining search will detail all of this. If you are a cash buyer, you would be wise to go down the route that a lender would (making sure things are watertight) because if something goes wrong, you will find out about all the small print in your insurance/searches, etc.

I wouldn't attempt to do this yourself, as whilst you may get lucky, your conclusion will not be backed up by PI insurance when the hole under your house opens up and then proceeds to affect next door as well. It's a legal minefield (geddit) and things are NOT clear cut.

Sandy lane is an area where you need to consider a large amount of material in order to "clear" a place (for lending). A lot of the field boundaries have changed (since the bounds map) and even the "interesting plan" has changed hugely. Streets gone and redeveloped. It's quite a challenge to say "this is definitely here". Sticking it all together with GIS software is possible and makes things easier BUT some of the features have been sketched on the map approximately. If you use these as your "control points" you can get some very strange things happening.

I'm always happy to talk/explain the detail of an area to people BUT this does not come with insurance backup.

There are plenty of people in Cornwall who find it acceptable to "get enough information to do it themselves". It's rather like giving an architect's preliminary drawings to your builder to cut out the expense. It is really poor form.

When you've communicated with whichever mining consultancy you are dealing with, they all (well, nearly all) contain someone who will answer your queries in the sort of level that any curious purchaser/vendor would require.

Lots of houses have been drilled up that end. Lots of shallow workings have been found. Lots of unrecorded shallow adit levels exist. Keep your eyes open and notice the collapsed wall by St Day road roundabout and the wobbly wall further back towards Mount Ambrose. When you look at a property, note any 10cm patches in the concrete around the property. Note any piles of stuff that (in that area) looks like road salt. Also, do not do anything in that area without seeing, or getting ALL the required paperwork with your own eyes and if there are any questions, ask a firm. They will either say "You need X information and we can do it" or "What you have is sufficient".

Hope this helps.

Roy Morton
9 years ago
I did some investigations at Gweal-anTop school where we found a filled stope in the playground.
Next door was an old building which was used as their lunch canteen, and there we found a small shaft and a tunnel running out toward the cemetery. We were only allowed to pursue this to the cemetery boundary. I believe this was part of an ancient mine known as Wheal Buggins. A shaft appeared in the hedge opposite, which is now the entrance to a new housing development. The house on the corner of school lane and Sandy lane is a rebuild after it started to sink into old workings below.
The farm fields opposite the same junction, had some investigation work done some 35-40 years ago and an ancient stope was discovered only a few feet below surface. The stope was supported by granite stulls; most unusual in this part of the county.
The field to the south of the cemetery was purchased by the RAF to build accommodation, and they were warned that it was old mining land with at least two shafts that people could remember. They didn't bother to do any surveys and built there anyway. Big Mistake! Carnon Contracting were there for months, with some properties having to be demolished to treat the underlying problems. The fields to the east belonging to Grambler Farm, contained a large opencast pit, and lots of very small back workings dating from at least the 18th century.
A very interesting area historically, but with care and the right surveys etc in place, I would live there and sleep well at night. 🙂
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9 years ago
Thank you everyone for your replies and for your advice, it is very helpful.

If shafts are present and they have been filled, is it safe to live near them? Or near to adits or old quarries?

Does anyone know of any other features on or near the St Day road roundabout please? Unfortunately it is so overgrown I could not see the dodgy wall there, I have not got your expert eyes!






rufenig
9 years ago
"Mix" wrote:

Thank you everyone for your replies and for your advice, it is very helpful.

If shafts are present and they have been filled, is it safe to live near them? Or near to adits or old quarries?



It can be IF you know that the shaft was made safe in a competent manner.
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9 years ago
Thank you rufenig. Hopefully soon I will have more information from the survey.

Roy Morton- please do you know of any other features on the land/property between Grambler Farm and Sandy Lane?

Roy Morton
9 years ago
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