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Vanoord
16 years ago
How is a new cap a World Heritage Site?

Or is it just a modern contraption that happens to sit on top of a World Heritage Site?

There's a good argument for a bit of sensible design that ensures that there is always an easy weak point which can be easily repaired rather than needing someone to drag a welding set up there.

Mind you, I'm a little concerned about the state of mind of someone who "rams" a gate with their vehicle in order to open it... the police should be looking at bodyshops asked to repair a car with the imprint of a gate in it ;)




PS. What's this about:
Quote:

Council officials carried out a site investigation and instigated the necessary repairs to make safe the grill


Does that mean: "We had a look, then fixed it"? 😉
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stuey
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16 years ago
I've been through that way both mine mooching and surfing away from crowds and that gate has been bent like that for ages.

The cage is a different matter. I gather the shaft was open prior to that when I imagine it had a clwyd cap. Talking of wasting public money, I think that those castles are unbelievable structures and certainly cost a total fortune. I'd hazard a guess at about £25K a piece, all in. All you need is a cone with an unboltable section like those fitted at most mines.

There is a strong case for awareness being made about the nature of the underground and it's importance to these people. I'm sure at the moment people are confusing the serious pursuit of geology and history with nutters. I wonder why a lot of cages are not fitted with access points as surely it is important to check ground movements from time to time, as well as the state of any girders.

Sensationalist reporting and stupid behaviour by hole-goers are going to make my quiet mooches around a whole lot more suspicious.

Anyway, that's my 2p.
Vanoord
16 years ago
Indeed :)

If emergency access may be required under some circumstances, then why not fit a hinged gate with a padlock inset into the grill.

Curiously, that's what the Forestry Commission have done in the Gwydir Forest and - for once - it's not a bad idea. It maintains access without requiring a grinder just in case and it has the side-effect of meaning that forced entry is likely only to result in the replacement of a padlock rather than a complete rebuild.

Still, when did sense ever enter the lexicon of the civil servant?!
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royfellows
16 years ago
"stuey" wrote:



I'd hazard a guess at about £25K a piece, all in. All you need is a cone with an unboltable section like those fitted at most mines.



Someone feel free to correct me:
Built 1999?
Cost £125,000

Frongoch Wales adit shaft manhole.
Built by RF 2002
Cost me £250
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ChrisJC
16 years ago
Yes Roy, however, I doubt if you did a risk assessment, applied to 6 different departments for approval, held some new-age workshops, trained a few people, and then on the day had 12 blokes sat around drinking tea whilst you did the work. Oh, and I suspect you wern't paying the pension contribution of a load of retired civil servants too.

Chris.
royfellows
16 years ago
"ChrisJC" wrote:

Yes Roy, however, I doubt if you did a risk assessment, applied to 6 different departments for approval, held some new-age workshops, trained a few people, and then on the day had 12 blokes sat around drinking tea whilst you did the work. Oh, and I suspect you wern't paying the pension contribution of a load of retired civil servants too.

Chris.



Nail on the head old friend.
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