Yes, just considering on the DB how we cover this type of Scenario and working with Carnkie to try to explain Basset Mines as a starter for 10 inc its constituant companies and different sections.... We think we have a way forwards which we will then apply to South Crofty and the other more famous mines.... It will involve linking various DB entries but will make it clearer.

I think I'm in for some long nights!

Regards ICLOK

:thumbsup: 😢

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The information I have seen, it appears that crofty have plans to link to the bassett and grenville mines in time, if they do then in effect Crofty will have engulfed pretty much the whole central mining district!

Omigord, Don't tell me that!!!
.... wheres my administrators pistol.... single shot... sound of body slumping over laptop!

That will make for some interesting links... can all be done though ... given a 90 hour week etc! Carnkie will be weeping in his tea!

Ye Gods it would make Crofty a mega mine! :thumbsup:

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Doubt it will happen for a few years yet, but it would certainly make it rather big (Its 3 miles on strike as it is), but that will make it about 2 miles wide

Carnkie will be reaching for the single malt. :surrender: Just to cheer you up been looking at a brief history of Roskear. Prior to the 17th century it produced tin. Then with the copper boom of the the 18th century it was a major copper producer until, with the slump, it became idle in 1787. In the middle of the 19th century it was a major producer of zinc and then reverted to tin and lastly arsenic. The latter is looking a quite attractive proposition. 🙂

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Oohh heck that will make interesting reading on this site. How on earth do you catalogue that lot! What is consodered the "primary" mineral!!!!!!! At least North Wales slate mines don't have that kind of problem (with a couple of exceptions before anyone jumps in!).

This is getting a little silly. No-one in thier right minds uploading for instance: photos' of East Pool would give it the heading South Crofty although that mine belongs to them.
All of this is causing needless confusion.

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At first it may sound a little silly, but that is exactly what happened with his thread, with confusion over the history of North Roskear.

Take this as a hypothetical situation, say in five years time, Crofty are working, someone is lucky enough to get a load of pics in different parts of the mine, say Parts in East Pool, Old South Crofty, New Cooks, Roskear and Dolcoath, where do they put them? In the individual mines or as one.

Its worth remembering its easy to know where you are on surface, and still get it wrong, what chance is there underground?

I have access to pictures of East Pool underground, taken in the 1980's, if I could put them on heren (I can't because of copyright) would I put them in Crofty or East Pool?

The pictures of North Roskear that started this is an extremely good example: -

The site is in the North Roskear Sett (It was something else prior to that), the Shaft was initially sunk after the Sett had been taken over Dolcoath and then the shaft was deepened, new headgear and winder installed by Crofty after they had taken over the Dolcoath Sett.

So is it: -
a) North Roskear Mine
b) Dolcoath Mine
c) South Crofty

As far as I'm concerned its c), but by your argument its a) Others would consider it b) as it was sunk in the ownership of Dolcoath.

OK,let's get (a) out of the way first. North Roskear mine had nothing to do with this shaft, it was a seperate mine altogether.
The shaft was sunk in 1923 by the Dolcoath Co in the hope of working the lodes which lay to the north of the old mine and it was named New Dolcoath, it closed in 1930 through lack of funds. Crofty took over the mining rights of Dolcoath in about 1936
Anyone uploading a photo' of the modern headgear could simply head it as: North roskear shaft of South Crofty formally known as New Dolcoath. The same applies to underground photos'
Pendarves Mine was owned by Crofty but no-one would mention that on a heading the same applies to Castle-An-Dinas which was over twenty miles away.
If however a archive photo is uploaded then it must revert to its original name

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Well I think we're all agreed on that one.

Its Theoretically all 3 !

There is a history associated with it as North Roskear
There is a history of it associated with Dolcoath
And finally there is a history of it as part of South Crofty....

So here how I intend to play it for now...

North Roskear will stay as North Roskear in the DB but cross reference its later history with Dolcoath and South Crofty.
South Crofty will also get linked to North Roskear as part of South Crofty's history (When we get time to put it on) and so on.....
Therefore a photo of South Crofty's New Roskear section can go into the main entry for South Crofty or as a New Roskear shaft entry... as long as the links are there to tie it up in a tidy way then I am happy as any one coming to the site will be able to read South Crofty's history, see the mines (within reason) absorbed such that they can go to that mine in the DB and see its history if they want too.

As for very old setts.. fine....enter them, put them on but put its context as well... currently we seem to have lists of SW lots of mines floating in space and no relationship between them thus its confusing to say the least.

This does not have to be hard!;D

If anything I wish people would check the DB properly before putting a mine on, if people are not sure because of the myriad of entries then ask and we will try and establish if the mine is there .... thus we will not have all the duplicates on the DB! I understand why this happens as some of the names are so confusing... typically ROSE (EAST) which was meaningless as its well known as EAST WHEAL ROSE... which is what it now says on the DB, so I do understand the frustrations and will correct mines to the title it is normally known by.

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What would be great (and I may do it when I have time) would be to create a chart a bit like a family tree charting the history of Crofty and all of its predecessors and component setts induicating when what amalgamated with what.

Most people are not in a position to realise the history of the mines and I think that would be a great way of illustrating it.

If I do it its a project for next year!

Go for it :thumbsup:

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I know I'm digging up an ancient thread here but I didn't want to create a whole new one and clutter up the forums.

I was up at Roskear shaft recently and noticed that the winding house has gone and the legs of the headframe have been cut off at the bottom leaving it hanging in the air.

What's going on with the headframe now? What happened with the winding engine? Did Crofty take it back again?

I hope the headframe isnt going to be scrapped, i'd at least hope that it is going to be moved to another shaft for re-use by Crofty in their current operations as it was barely used as it is.

The wnder is over at Crofty, it needed to be moved as it was being stripped and vandalised by the local pikies and vadals.

The headframes backstays were cut off as local kids were climbing up them with obvious health and safety implcations. It has no effect on the structure as the purpose of them is to prevent the tension on the winder pulling the headframe over, as the shaftis not beig used it is not an issue.