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17 years ago
This is totally selfish ... ish .... so no apologies.... what is the oldest picture existing of mining/engine houses in the SW? Only reason I ask is I found a picture today of a broad gauge loco in the SW dated in the 1850's.... beat that please.... they must exist...... All contributions to this post appreciated.... almost an inverse photo comp!!! :thumbsup:

Seriously interested... particularly eng houses! Plus its a good base line historically?
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Tamar Miner
17 years ago
Can't think of anything I've seen recently, but would this be on the DGC line? Or would your photo be too early for that development?
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May be I wasn't clear, not looking for early railway pics but mining pics... but now you mention it why not...... I have a pic here HECUBA at Newton Abbot in the late 1850's..... My point here is whats the oldest Mining photo anyone aware of in SW ... But heres my train that set me off.[img]http://www.aditnow.co.uk/showimage?f=/community/Personal-Album-856-Image-023/[/img]

In fact heres the oldest I can find..... Perranporth... Wheal Leisure circa 1850!
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carnkie
17 years ago
This is a terrible photo-copy of a copy of a copy, etc. I'm trying to locate the original as I've seen a direct copy (privately owned) that was excellent. The interet lies in the view. It's taken from the direction of Carn Brea looking towards Wheal Basset with Lyle's Shaft centre background. Because of the orientation the pundits reckon that the West Basset Stamps should be in the right foreground. As thay are not it would put the photo prior to 1875. But what year, who knows.

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17 years ago
Excellent..... this is lovely.... the kid in the foregrounds dress would say earlier than 1870's. I just love old pics like these.... :thumbsup:
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carnkie
17 years ago
:offtopic: slightly, well more than slightly. The caption is self -explanatory. From the Bromide extraction plant at Hayle.


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carnkie
17 years ago
This isn't that old although I'm not sure of the year but an unusual angle for Wheal basset.

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17 years ago
That is different, was the white cottage part of mine? Nic pic though!
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spitfire
15 years ago
I would think this picture is at least 150 years old. Taken before the diagonal shaft was sunk at the Crowns Botallack.



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Very impressive that!
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Vanoord
15 years ago
Was there a very old photo of the Llanberis copper mine, or am I imagining that?


EDIT: nope, I'm not....

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Graigfawr
15 years ago
The Llanberis Copper Mine photo may be early 1870s, to judge from a close reading of D.E.Bick 'The Old Copper Mines of Snowdonia', 3rd ed, Ashbourne, 2003, p.114 (it reproduces the photo on p.15 and credits it to Gwnedd Archive Service).
royfellows
15 years ago
I think everyone here aught to stop and think about the history of photography for a moment.

Artist’s sketches were being used up to the 1870s because a photographer needed a virtual carload of equipment to complete his task up to the 1880s. Therefore outdoor photographs prior to about 1870 will be rare.

This does not detract from the validity of the original query however, it’s just something to think about.

If I were to place a bet, it would be on the Botallack as posted by Mr Spitfire.

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Graigfawr
15 years ago
The earliest surface photos of Welsh metal mines that I can bring to mind are from the very early 1860s (various photos are reproduced in T.A.Morrison 'Goldmining in Western Merioneth', Llandysul, 1975 and in G.W.Hall 'The Gold Mines of Merioneth', Gloucester, 1975) and there are certainly surface views of Welsh Collieries of comparable date. Earlier photos of Merioneth gold mines are unlikely as it was only in the 1860s that they really began to command massive public attention and hence attract photographers.

Quite possibly Snowdon (Llanberis) Copper Mine, being adjacent to one of the mid C19 tourist paths up Snowdon, may be the first Welsh metal mine to feature in photographs.

C.Howes 'To Photograph Darkness: a history of underground and flash photography', Gloucester, 1989, establishes that the earliest known underground mine photographs were taken in Bradford Colliery, Bentley, near Doncaster, Yorkshire, in March 1865 (four exposures of six to seven minutes each in a four foot seam, using magnesium ribbon), though they had been preceded by the earliest known cave photographs a month or two previously (Blue John Caverns, Chapel-en-le-frith, Yorkshire) and had been preceded by the earliest known underground photos by almost four years (Paris catacombs and Paris sewers 1861 and 1862).

A much-visited and highly important mining region such as Cornwall is very likely to have seen mines photographed in the early 1850s or late 1840s - keep searching folks!

Establishing dates for earliest known UK surface mining photographs would help write an important footnote to photographic and mining history. For comarison, Richard Calvert Jones is regarded as an internationally important photographic pioneer, not least because he seems to have been the one of the very first photographers to take images of ships (copper ore traders at Swansea, 1847 - reproduced in a great many books). Establishing similar detail for UK mining photographs would be really useful.

Just beware the propensity of some authors to optomistically push dates of early photographs back to dates that are sometimes unlikely. Often, well known and much reproduced early photogrpahs will have been ascribed to a variety of dates by different authors. It is best not to uncritically accept the earliest of a range of dates...

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