Lathkilldale - Possible sough or bolt?

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LeeW
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9 years ago

Whilst out on a walk on Tuesday, I noticed what appeared to be an upwelling next to the footpath (i.e. on the north side of the river). The upwelling appeared to have some possible stone slabs (overgrown) above the discharge. It did not appear to be part of the river which was also flowing nearby.

The location is between Carters Mill and Smallpenny Mine and just below the waterfall. NGR: SK 18115 65705

It could easily be nothing, but it did look suspicious. Any thoughts?

I have some photos which I will post later

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mae
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9 years ago

Hi Lee
Could it be smallpenny sough?I seem to remember seeing a reference to it in a pdmhs doc.

LeeW
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9 years ago

That was my initial thought, but I wasn't sure if there was a sough to that mine. In a straight line, the feature is about 130m from Smallpenny mine adit. It would offer a few metres relief to adit entrance further up the valley. I am not sure of the underground situation at Smallpenny and if the mine workings are above or below river level etc

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Morlock
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9 years ago

Looks like there're two weirs with sluices that may confuse things?

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101600796

mae
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9 years ago

Lee wrote

I seem to remember the pdmhs doc refering to it as being a venture to drain more than just smallpenny.may be wrong.

mikehiggins
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9 years ago

Smallpenny Sough came out at the bottom of the scree upstream from Lathkill Resurgence Cave. PDMHS tried to dig it out unsuccessfully in 1974. No real trace of this now. There was a culvert that led past the coe to a buddle and then on to drain into the river. I've personally never actually seen any water running through this but it may well be this that you have seen. However, I can't recall any nearby adit entrance.

mae
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9 years ago

Thanks Mike,just found the pdmhs doc as you posted! I can't recall the adit entrance but have seen the water running through the scree.

LeeW
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9 years ago

That would mean Smallpenny sough is upstream of the adit/Coe
The feature I saw was not near any scree but it did look more like a drain.
I didn't get as far as the cave, just to Holmes Grove and the springs there had good flows
I will update my map and repost it

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LeeW
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9 years ago

I have added some photos in to Smallpenny Level and uploaded my plan with the location of the feature.

The old maps show a small quarry in the general location, but I think it is just to the east of that.

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mikehiggins
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9 years ago

#10

Thanks Lee for posting the photos and updated plan. This feature is definitely not the outlet to the culvert from Smallpenny Sough (named as an adit in your earlier photos) as that is close to the waterfall which is in the background of your photo (beneath which is the entrance to Lathkill Resurgence Cave, only accessible every few years when the weather is exceptionally dry). There is a vein high on the valley side and crossing the fields above (several shaft mounds, none open) just west of Carters Mill that runs north-south and crosses Gank Hole Vein. There is an open adit up there (low and ends in a forefield, no stopes) and a possible adit higher up at the end of a cutting chocked with impenetrable brambles) - I wonder if your outlet and slabs may be related to drainage of these workings.

AR
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9 years ago

#11

There are a number of small risings on the north side of the river, I wonder if this is one of them? As a feeder to the mill dam (and of course, the LLC pumping wheels before that....) it may well have been cleared at some point and culverted.

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Trogleman
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9 years ago

#12

I have uploaded to Smallpenny Mine 4 photos of PDMHS excavating Smallpenny Sough in April 1974. As I recall, there was a lot of scree to remove and the level was completely blocked a short way in. No water was coming out of the sough at the time.