Ty Gwyn
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Tony Blair
9 years ago
I'll see it when I believe it.

I'd like to be able to bet against anything happening in Cornwall, because if it does, I will shave my own arse before smoking the clippings in a pipe.

We have seen quite a significant sustained height in the price of tin. Nothing has happened in most of this time, apart from Treliver submitting half of their deposit for assay. Whilst there are the ingredients for a SIGNIFICANT and lasting price rise, I'm not sure Cornwall is compatible with anyone doing anything beyond speculation.

I have witnessed staff of both mining companies researching mineral rights. I gather that this is relating to a "mineral rights sucking" of parties behind the scenes (including the Duchy). My opinion is that these 3 people (and others) will be the first with their hands out when one of the big mining firms turns it's attention here.

Now, I'd love to see sheave wheels revolving, hear the sound of the mills and see the men going to work. I can't believe it's going to happen.

Let's face it, Britain has it's economy based on nice things like sustainable, eco-green technology, carbon footprinty things and ladies with names like Tabitha Yoga-Tofu talking about how Cornwall celebrates diversity, history, multicultralism and wimmen through the media of EU money, african dance and tourism. Until we get rid of this nonsense and realise that a bit of orange water being slung in the red-river isn't the same as fukushima, nothing will happen.

I can just imagine crofty chucking it's water in the red river. I'd like to imagine it had all sorts of super separators, clarifiers and things which add yoghurt, but Surfers against Sewage will find something wrong with it. Probably because they and the sorts of fellow imbeceile present in the eco-departments of the authorities are utterly ignorant of the workings of economies.

I like the idea of people re-opening mines. In practice, no-one will dig a crater at Treliver. There are too many nimbys. No-one will re-open Cligga as a St Agnes hub, probably because of some bloody bats or some other eco-bo11ocks from retirees, naive studenty types or just bloody yoghurt weavers. Redmoor is even more of a longshot. Whilst the deposit is a real gold star on the monopoly board, I can't imagine it's working will fit well with the RIGS, SSSI, AONB, lego estate above, flooded workings everywhere around, EU health and safety hysteria, mineral rights belonging to about 20 different people, 10 of which are untraceable, about 15 years worth of legal wranglings, a 10 year feasibility study, a 2 year pilot plant research and then either the end of the world will have come first, or the company will have reworked something in wonga-bonga land where they can throw all their cyanide into the river.

I bet my eyebrows that no meaningful mining will occur in Cornwall in the next 10 years. However, there will be a lot of talk, Crofty about to open another 4 times and various rumours about diamond drilling happening down by Leedstown.

That's what I think. Steve will be along shortly with a dose of sense :D

Edit:- Since these operations are not staff intensive, I can't see a lot of the benefit for the local area hosting such a thing. Gone are the days of Consols employing 3000 people and the trickle down of the money, I imagine most of it will go straight offshore, apart from the bit which goes to the mineral rights owner. When I look around at the various romantic minescapes like St Agnes, I appreciate what the money did for the economy. These days, it's more of a "take" industry. Apart from the burger van at the end of the lane, or the local shaking table firm, do these industries actually give much to the economy anymore? If they are going to make a noise/mess/environmental impact, perhaps they should.

(Which is the point where someone mentions that Hemerdon have opened a refuge for left handed lesbian trombonists). I'm talking a bit bigger scale than that.

I think if we want to see proper activity resume, it would be good to nationalise minerals (all of them) and like the lords of yore, take a % of the value of minerals (not the profits, because they will likely be £0 in the UK) and that's it. Whilst we're there, it would be good to remove the barriers (HSE nonsense) to more traditional methods suited to typical cornish lode mining.

I was reading a book about some mining happening in the 19th century down in Mount's Bay. Basically, Mr Teague and his adventurers erected a 70" engine on a kindly lode and the whole thing failed shortly after, the equipment being bought by another similar team who made a massive success and got rich out of it. If these men had shared in the nonsensical methods of today, the industrial revolution would have probably not happened! John Taylor and Brunel would have probably been buy-to-let landlords!
Boy Engineer
9 years ago
Welcome back. Good to hear the voice of reason entering the debate, rather than the rantings of some of the swivel-eyed loons that occasionally pop up on the interweb. Your image of the 'pipe' tobacco will haunt me for days...... :lol:


Keep it coming; we need more of it in these dark days.
legendrider
9 years ago
Finest Rant of the First Water! :thumbup:

Until we overthrow the hegemony of the intellectual left which has continued to insinuate its tentacles into the very zeitgeist of our post-Diana epoch, there will be no place for such real and sustainable economic activities as mining or metalworking.

We are consigned to an emasculated future in which mediocrity, stupidity and a complete lack of personal responsibility or determination hold sway.

I weep for the future

MARK
festina lente[i]
Tony Blair
9 years ago
"Boy Engineer" wrote:

Welcome back. Good to hear the voice of reason entering the debate, rather than the rantings of some of the swivel-eyed loons that occasionally pop up on the interweb. Your image of the 'pipe' tobacco will haunt me for days...... :lol:


Keep it coming; we need more of it in these dark days.



There was initially a sensible series of points in there, but I got sidetracked.

It is very frustrating and the gist of some it presents a genuine obstacle to a required job-creation and a cash injection to an area otherwise worryingly based on building everywhere, without any associated job creation.

Against a background of mechanisation, outsourcing and increased population, this is quite a concern!

I do think any sensible person would leave before places like NZ and Aus put their entry criteria out of reach. (NZ has already significantly raised the bar)
royfellows
9 years ago
I am loving this thread, nice to see you Mr S firing on all cylinders again.

How long will this thread run before some 'man for all seasons' injects some politically correct fashionable opinion into it.
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Buckhill
9 years ago
This is the same outfit which quietly "announced" last month that work on their Canonbie coking coal project was being suspended due to the fall in prices. Nothing on the website about that.
Tony Blair
9 years ago
I do wonder whether we are playing some sort of long game with coal. Listening to this eco-hysteria from the various true believers about carbon capture technology, I think not. I think these people have created a new religion and now it's driven them insane!

I'd go as far to suggest our glorious leaders, including the LIBLABCON, EU and UN have got some bizarre plan to create economic chaos. I think they are doing quite well!

It's much more than the peasants can understand!

Morlock
9 years ago
We need Vlad in charge.;D

“a country that is intellectually head-and-shoulders over the US, with a leader who can speak coherently and in great detail for three hours without a teleprompter”.

Quote from an American!
Tamarmole
9 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

What do you boy`s in Cornwall make of this,?

http://nae.net.au/projects/united-kingdom/redmoor/ 



Absolutely nothing has happened on site as far as I can see. I strongly suspect NAE grabbed the exploration licence when it looked like tin was going to take off a few years ago in the hope that they could punt it on if the price rose higher. I'm not convinced that NAE had /have any intention to do anything serious on the ground.
royfellows
9 years ago
"Tony Blair" wrote:

Listening to this eco-hysteria from the various true believers about carbon capture technology, I think not. I think these people have created a new religion and now it's driven them insane!



"Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad"

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Morlock
9 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

"Tony Blair" wrote:

Listening to this eco-hysteria from the various true believers about carbon capture technology, I think not. I think these people have created a new religion and now it's driven them insane!



"Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad"



About sums it up.:thumbsup:
AR
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9 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

"Tony Blair" wrote:

Listening to this eco-hysteria from the various true believers about carbon capture technology, I think not. I think these people have created a new religion and now it's driven them insane!



"Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad"



I see on the news that there's a protest march for tomorrow demanding that world leaders shift us to 100% renewable energy. I'd love to hear from the people on that march just how they expect that can be done without either:

a) Giving up their comfortable lifestyle that allows them to not be spending every waking hour trying to grow enough food to survive and instead go on protest marches; or
b) Massively culling the human race (so, tell us, why does your media studies degree merit your continued existence?)

Gormless tofu-welders the lot of 'em, they'll be the first to be squealing "someone should do something" when they can't charge their iPhones 'cause the grid can't cope in the depths of winter...:curse:

We do however seem to have gone:offtopic:
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royfellows
9 years ago
"AR" wrote:


I see on the news that there's a protest march for tomorrow demanding that world leaders shift us to 100% renewable energy.



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lozz
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9 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

What do you boy`s in Cornwall make of this,?

http://nae.net.au/projects/united-kingdom/redmoor/ 



If I'm honest.......A fully loaded lifeboat on Chiverton Cross roundabout:)

Lozz.
somersetminer
9 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

What do you boy`s in Cornwall make of this,?

http://nae.net.au/projects/united-kingdom/redmoor/ 



Already seen it. Redmoor appears to be a project NAE is looking to divest from its portfolio, they've not done much to define the resource themselves, most of the data is from Geevor's drilling on the site I think.
The real question is, if it is a decent prospect, why wasnt it developed more when they got it initially, back when tin was fetching lots of money (and hey its still around $15,000 per ton).
They appear to want to focus on Lochinvar, although by the time anything happens there the UK steel customer base looks like it may well be gone 😞
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9 years ago
I was shouted down some years ago when I railed against the idiotic green agenda and lies they propound. 3 weeks ago the government had to ask high use industrial electricity users to temporarily stop using electric to avoid power cuts, and that was in a mild spell.
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Morlock
9 years ago
"Coggy" wrote:

I was shouted down some years ago when I railed against the idiotic green agenda and lies they propound. 3 weeks ago the government had to ask high use industrial electricity users to temporarily stop using electric to avoid power cuts, and that was in a mild spell.



It was called 'load management' when I worked in industry, not always shortage of power as sometimes used to avoid starting up a 'cold' coal power station from scatch to possibly cover a peak demand that only lasted an hour or two.
The company I worked for had a deal with both electricity and gas suppliers which ment we had a reduced normal tariff.

All large gas kit had duel fuel burners for gas/diesel.
Buckhill
9 years ago
"somersetminer" wrote:

They appear to want to focus on Lochinvar, although by the time anything happens there the UK steel customer base looks like it may well be gone :(



This is what was in one of our local papers last month, not very encouraging considering that 12 months ago it was anticipated that construction would be underway in 2016.

http://www.eladvertiser.co.uk/news/Coalmine-plan-in-Canonbie-on-hold-11ade103-f540-4755-a0b7-01730d7bcfc8-ds 
TheBogieman
9 years ago
As AR said: "Gormless tofu-welders the lot of 'em, they'll be the first to be squealing "someone should do something" when they can't charge their iPhones 'cause the grid can't cope in the depths of winter...Cursing"

As an insider currently putting c.480MW into the grid from a baseload nuc station on Anglesey, we've only got another 31 days generating and we come off for good... Anglesey and Liverpool Bay are covered in windmills. Today it's only about 4 deg. C, it's cold in the house because of the gales and rain, therefore heating going full bore. Guess what, all those windmills aren't generating cos the wind's too strong! Same will apply when that big high pressure sits over the country in a few weeks time, -15 deg C and no wind. I reckon the grid is down to about ½% spare capacity today and will already have asked high load users to reduce their load.

Tree huggers and yoghurt weavers - pull the blinds from your eyes! 😠 :curse: :guns:

Think a few blackouts might do some good and bring some reality (and mineral mining - getting back on topic) back...

PS. Several more baseload stations due to come off for good in the next few months - should ensure we have nil, even minus spare capacity so get you old Davy lamps and tallow candles out chaps...


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