Worrying sale/ auction board on Masson hill!!!!see Bagshaws.
LOCATION

The land occupies an elevated position off Salter’s Lane, less than 1.7 miles from the centre of Matlock, just outside of the Peak District National Park, with excellent views of the area.

Matlock is 8.5 miles from Bakewell, 10.2 miles from Chesterfield and is with 23 miles from both Sheffield and Derby.

DESCRIPTION

This is a unique property offering the opportunity to acquire 42.5 acres of pasture and amenity land together with a 7.2 acre quarry. The property has superb views of the locality.

The former limestone and quartz quarry offers the opportunity for a range of alternative future uses, subject to planning. The vendor has had the quarry surveyed to have a capacity of over 1,000,000 m3.

GENERAL INFORMATION

TENURE & POSSESSION

The land is offered freehold with vacant possession upon completion.

SINGLE FARM PAYMENT

Single Farm Payment entitlements are not included.

ENVIRONMENTAL SCHEMES AND PAYMENTS

The land is not entered into any stewardship agreements, though neighbouring properties are understood to be entered into Higher Level Stewardship, something that may assist with any application.

RIGHTS OF WAY, WAYLEAVES & EASEMENTS

Footpaths cross the land. For further details contact Derbyshire County Council.

TIMBER, MINERALS & SPORTING RIGHTS

The property is to be sold with the benefit of these rights.

VIEWING

Because of the quarry, viewing is to be by arrangement with Bagshaws LLP.

SERVICES

There are no mains services are connected.

OVERAGE

Any uplift in value of the property arising from non-agricultural development will be subject to 8% overage upon the grant of planning permission for 30 years from 26th April 2007.

LOCAL AUTHORITY

Derbyshire Dales District Council, Town Hall, Bank Road, Matlock, Derbyshire DE4 3NN

01629 761100

OVERAGE

Any uplift in value of the property arising from non-agricultural development will be subject to 8% overage upon the grant of planning permission for 30 years from 26th April 2007.

Does that mean 2007 value or auction value?

This will be value at time of sale i.e. auction value.
It is a rider often added to sales of agricultural land to dissuade property developers, the 30years limit is from 2007 (some legal thing).

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"The former limestone and quartz quarry offers the opportunity for a range of alternative future uses, subject to planning. The vendor has had the quarry surveyed to have a capacity of over 1,000,000 m3."

This puzzles me, Quartz?? I was not aware of this, now Flourspar or Barytes I could understand. And the significance of 1,000,000 m3 ???.

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I think the Duchy of Lancaster might have something to say about them selling it as coming with the mineral rights, rights to _some_ of the minerals more like....

Dunno about the quartz, the only significant sources I know of are the area around the top of Pindale and the volcanic vent at Calton Hill.

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I thought BMC had some arrangement up there, anything on their blogsite?
(I don't monitor it, there is a limit to an old blokes capabilities !! 🙂 )

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This will be value at time of sale i.e. auction value.
It is a rider often added to sales of agricultural land to dissuade property developers, the 30years limit is from 2007 (some legal thing).

Thanks.

"The former limestone and quartz quarry offers the opportunity for a range of alternative future uses, subject to planning. The vendor has had the quarry surveyed to have a capacity of over 1,000,000 m3."

This puzzles me, Quartz?? I was not aware of this, now Flourspar or Barytes I could understand. And the significance of 1,000,000 m3 ???.

I'd be ready to mount a campain against a landfill, hence the posting. :thumbup:
Ric'

I think the Duchy of Lancaster might have something to say about them selling it as coming with the mineral rights, rights to _some_ of the minerals more like....

Dunno about the quartz, the only significant sources I know of are the area around the top of Pindale and the volcanic vent at Calton Hill.

Hi Adam, glad you're on-board. the Duchy of Lancaster? would you be so good as to outline your understanding of the rights here please? ta, Ric'

I think it'd be hard work getting PP for landfill, its based on a porous rock with known direct hydrological connection to the river, also the access road infrastructure would need a significant upgrade to handle the increased traffic to make it viable.

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While masson hill lost its sssi status some years ago Dr Trevor
Ford got some geological listing for the toadstone outcrops
and A J Pugh owns up to Becks Shaft so the workings are safe
just the access to them is in danger.

Thanks for your interest and replies. see UKCa***g too :thumbup:
O. G.

I think the Duchy of Lancaster might have something to say about them selling it as coming with the mineral rights, rights to _some_ of the minerals more like....

Dunno about the quartz, the only significant sources I know of are the area around the top of Pindale and the volcanic vent at Calton Hill.

Hi Adam, glad you're on-board. the Duchy of Lancaster? would you be so good as to outline your understanding of the rights here please? ta, Ric'

The lead rights are still held by the Duchy of Lancaster and are governed by the 1852 Derbyshire Mining and Mineral Courts Act. The limestone and spar rights are probably what's held, but to actually work the spar you either need to hold title to the lead-bearing veins in accordance with the above act or have come to an agreement with whoever does hold them. I don't know off the top of my head how many veins cross the site or who has the title at present, they may have been held by the previous owner in which case they can sell that title on with the land but there's nicking to contend with....

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"Nicking" Any Lead to be had?.

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There's still lead if you know where to look and I reckon you could get a freeing dish together, though I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that one of the spar men like Albert Rockarch has possession of at least some of the vein titles. Think I'll give Terry Worthington a ring and see what he can tell me about the state of play up there, I always thought Masson Quarry was owned by the Pughs....

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The article “Jack Beck and Masson Hill” by Nevil Gregory (Peak District Mines Historical Society Bull. 14 No. 2, 1999, pp59-63), gives an excellent summary of the planning problems with Laporte during the final stages of the working of Masson Quarry up to 1980 and the restrictions that were placed on them. It states that in 1980 Laporte had restored much of the quarried area on Masson Hill “but the last section of the opencast has been left open by agreement so as to preserve geological features.”
I would be very interested to know who is the landowner and who owns the mining title there.

What`s the problem if the new owner does open a quarry,it will be work for locals,much needed i would assume.

I would have thought that if there was anything left worth having in the area, the quarry surely would still be working? Chopping off a few more metres of brecciated crap isn't going to provide much employment for anyone. I would also have thought the showcaves down the hill would be going beserk if it looked like any dodgy operations were being planned above them.

Please re-read the thread, you'll see what we are worried about is filling in not digging up.....

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As far as i can see,its just one person has mentioned landfill,and the difficulty in getting approval for PP by another,the rest are about who ownes the rights.