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My father Harry Bennett worked in this mine and i find it disappointing that information on this pit is non existant or am i looking in the wrong place
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Hi Kitten
There are nearly 15,000 mines in the AditNow database, many with little or no description apart from their location. After researching many mines & collierys myself I find there is little or no infomation avalible. It is only the members of this site who add the details if they have personal knowledge or have carried out extensive reseach.
If you have some details of Glapwell Colliery we would be gratful if you could share them with us to make our database more consise 🙂

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Dear Lister
Thank you for your info.I can't help with much as my dad died years ago. the only thing I recall is that he left the mine not long after one of his fellow workers was killed.The chap evidentially was riding a conveyor and went through some sort of a chopper.I was only young at the time but remember him saying to mum that he picked up the mates boot and his foot was still in it. One can't imagine what it would be like pick and shoveling in an area that you could'nt stand in. My grandfather was also in the pits ( Cobner Wood ) and was involved in an accident in 1942 of which I can also find nothing.Anyway thanks once again
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Try this http://www.oldminer.co.uk/New/Glapwell.htm . I hope it helps. Good luck with your research.
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staffordshirechina
14 years ago
Kitten,
Whilst I can't offer any information about your father, I can add some thoughts on Glapwell.
I went there in 1971 to do my 20 days preliminary training for underground employment (I still have the certificate). At that time the area training centre was based at Grassmoor Colliery but they had just shut the actual colliery so all the underground stuff was done at nearby Glapwell in a specially modified set of roadways for that purpose alone. The only names I recall were the training Deputy whose name was Harts(h)orn and the two instructors, Jack Booth and Charlie Taylor.
Glapwell was an old pit then with basic equipment. No fancy new gear or award winning projects.
Regarding the accident you speak of, I doubt that Glapwell had any on-belt crushers at that time (or ever!). However, there were a spate of accidents around that time in several collieries where men had ridden the armoured face conveyor and got caught in the conveyor chains and pulled into/under the advancing coal cutting machine. That would certainly account for the level of injury you describe. You could probably track that accident down in Derbyshire Times records if you have a rough date.
Regarding the link to Glapwell and Markham info, the Shonky shaft at Markham was the main man access shaft for that side of the pit, not a reserve. I did my coal face training there. Nobody knew why it had that name but it was the roughest looking of the four shaft tops so that was the assumed reason. Fortunately I was working at nearby Bolsover colliery at the time of the disaster, not still at Markham.
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Thank you for the info and perhaps dad was talking third party in regard to the accident and because of my age I got it wrong.
Can I ask if you know anything about the pit my grandfather worked in ( Cobner Wood )and 1942 accident?
staffordshirechina
14 years ago
Sorry, I have no knowledge of that pit at all. I first moved to Chesterfield in 1967 and the pit was long gone then.
For many years though there were various tip re-washing and slag crushing operations going on in that area. The area is now part of the Sheepbridge Industrial Estate beside the A61 to Sheffield.
I have never researched either Cobner Wood Colliery or the accident you speak of so can't really be of much use.
Again though, from experience, the Derbyshire Times records are quite good on such things and form a good starting point.
If you Google for it, the spelling is sometimes Cobnar Wood as well as Cobner.
ironmisfit
14 years ago
Kitten,

Regarding you wanting information on Glapwell(Glappy) mine, Well it was opened in 1882, shafts sunk c1875 and closed 1974, but had stopped seam workings a year before 1973.

Would your family member know a miner down there called Herbert Miles, they would have used to call him by his nickname (Sam) at all?.

I think this mine was one of many ran by the Bolsover mines Company, but i am not sure about this.

The drift mine Bramley Vale next door to Glappy was worked from 1959-1970.

Cheers.
Ironmisfit.
Rhonddalad
14 years ago
Prior to 1968 Glapwell Nos. 1 and 3 pits, Glapwell, Nr. Chesterfield was in Area No.1 (Chesterfield) of the East Midlands Division of the National Coal Board, headquarters based at Bolsover. After 1968, it was part of the North Derbyshire Area, based at Bolsover.

Glapwell Colliery closed in June 1974. Glapwell worked the Clowne, Dunsil, First Waterloo, Deep Hard and Low Main Seams. In 1960 Glapwell had a workforce of 2,606 and had two Managers, namely:- No.1 Pit - D. Stringer (5,143) No.3 Pit - T. Wallace (5270).


In the Financial Year 1963/64 Glapwell produced 884,282 tons at an O.M.S OF 37.9 cwts. Manpower totalled 2121. Overall output for the No.1 (Chesterfield) Area for the same year was 8,008,000 tons at an overall O.M.S OF 40.3 cwts. The Manpower totalled 17,947.There were 18 operating collieries in the Area.
staffordshirechina
14 years ago
Des Stringer was still employed in management of North Derbyshire Area NCB in the late 1970's. I forget his job title though.
Les (11631)
Rhonddalad
14 years ago
From the 'Guide to the Coalfields' for 1968 D. Stringer was a Production Manager, based in Bolsover, responsible for a Group of Collieries within the North Derbyshire Area.
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I worked at glapwell from 1954 to 1958 when I left to go to Creswell and get married there. I started on the haulage as a timber lad in the Deep Hard on the D1s main intake run working with Dick Staley who had been transferred when Morton shut and Harold Fern and Albie Newall from whittington. Moved onto D2s haulage after a while working with Len Parry and a youth I went to school with in Chesterfield by the name of Barrie Hadfield who later went on to become a pit manager. Now D2's did not have endless rope haulage in the loader and left gates. Instead there was a winch the rope from which had to be attached to the set and then lowered just using the brake to the inbye end. sometimes if there were only a couple of tubs or trams we used to take them down on the lockers and we had a long strip of conveyor belting about six inches wide with a slot cut in one end which we attached to the tub or tram hook and one jumped on the belt while the other started them off with a shove and towed them back outbye. with the strip of belting. There was no rail connection to get tackle into D2's loader gate. Everything had to be manhandled, Steel arches, lids and pinners, chocknogs, everything,unloaded from the vehicles on D1's road and under the belt to be reloaded onto other vehicles inside D2's loader gate and you were not allowed to stop the belts either. D2's right gate had an endless rope haulage but only as far as the fault. When you reached this the sets had to be lockered up and a "snatch rope attached and to a clip as well to the endless rpoe and lowered down the fault and inbye some 100 yards,down the ripped faceline to the loader belt where the same transfers had to be made. When the brickies used to have work in the district the mortar would come ready loaded in tubs and this had to be shovevelled out and over the belt into another tub for onward transportation. Crazy or what,Moved on again to roadlaying with Reg Lovell and my mate Freddie Waller joined us. We made it into a bloody good job this and Herbert Ross the Deep Hards undermanager looked after us.Reg was not well man and was off work lot and at age 16 they paid me the five bob char ge money a shift, a tidy sum at that time I used to work 2 hours overtime every day every Saturdaymorning, every Sunday morning and sometimes when the Brickies wanted labour, on the Saturday nightshift(highly illegal) and stop through on Sunday morning for a double un.The overman at that time was called Freddie Heywood,, he died of cancer and his replacement was Percy Blunt who went on to become the Deep Hard undermanager. Went into the coal on D1s training face and stopped on there till I left for \Creswell in '58. Jimmy Gibson trained me and Tommy King was chargeman. Jimmy was quite a character, living in a caravan in Sutton spring wood and drinking in the Crown and Cushion on Low Pavement in Chesterfield. Jack Reeves from Bolsover was the right gate ripping chargeman. If you made £3 a shift on this face stinting you did well. more often than not it was around 53 to 55 bob. The most I can remember was 64 bob. The seam was undercut to a depth of 6 feet with a Samson cutter and the stints were 9 yards with "W" bars set every yard, 3 props to a bar if you could ever find enough props. D1's was face coal, A's and D2's were longhorn and the rest end coals. Nordy Bircumshaw was the deputy and George Wallace the shotfirer. We used to have a little game with old George, as the rippers went off they used to hide the spare powder,(Highly illegal) and we used to stick a couple of 4oz pellets up the hole before George came to fire us. Now this ripping powder was "Polar Ajax" and very powerful,Old George always used to profess amazement as to why our shot always blew so well.!!!!The others I remember were called Jimmy Riggot from Chesterfield and he was in the right corner stint and the Cannings from Doe Lea, Mick being the main one I remember and also Mattie. A's deputy was Charlie Gale, I met his son, also called Charlie at Creswell many years later when he came to be the Threequarter seam undermanager there on the nightshift. D2's deputy was Ernie King and B's deputy was Ivan Threlkeld. Tommy Wallace was the manager and I believe he was the brother of George, D1's shotfirer but when I started it was Tommy Cope and at that time Glapwell was in No4 sub div. of No 1 area , Cyril Hazlehurt was the Low Main undermanager and Herbert Ross the Deep Hard. Cyril went on to manage Bolsover colliery, Herbert was the safety officer at Creswell at the time of the disaster in September 1950. D2's was a very gassy district and they had to use "Cardo shells" to fire here. these were 5 foot long shells inserted into the shothole abd fired, relying on a tooth on the outbye end to hold them in the hole when fired . If it did not then they used to come out just like a torpedo and I have seen the result, one would go straight through a loded tub.More later
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Further to this the working faces in the Deep Hard seam at the time were A1/2/3/4.Bs,Cs,D1s and D2s. (All Handfilled)Es face was just being developed as the first trepanner mechanised face although there had been a "Gloster Getter" machine on D2s. I remember they had a lot of trouble with this machine loading and they used to cut the coal and men would hand fill it . D1's was a two sided face but the left gate and loader gate were both intakes, A's was one long face with inter connecting roadways, B's was double as was C's and D2's had been till it hit a fault and was reduce to one side till that also hit the main fault through which roadways were driven to exploit the main deep hard reserves. Seam thickness on D1's was about 4 feet six inchesbut this included a layer of "flamper" of about 10 inches which was very friable and could not be held. The roof was the Deep Hard rock which was as hard as bell metal and on D1's you could see as far back up the gobs as a spotlight could shine and they had not dropped. This would result from time to time in a "weight" coming on the face which would run you off the face as props were pushed into the floor as the roof lowered and those not correctly set would fly out. Cycle on the handfilled faces was cut,fill, rip pack and turnover on a 3 shift cycle coaling on alternate days and nights shifts. The No 3 shaft was I believe some 780 yards deep and was sunk to the Low Tupton (Low Main) seam and the districts as I remember them were 90s which was still working. At the time the faces were 95s and 97s which were on a very steep incline of about 1/6 rising. The old south district was worked out but had not been drawn off and the other one still working was the dips, I think also known as 30's. This district was still operating an overhead rope haulage system to draw the coal in tubs to the pit bottom by means of lashing them onto the rope with chains, a tricky business in which you could soon lose a finger and many did.
I remember getting a lot of overtime at weekends labouring with the brickies building a new enginehouse for this district just off the pit bottom.
The pit bottom was a very long tub run, some 400yards or more from 90's loader where tubs were filled from the conveyor to begin their journey down the pit bottom to the shaft. On the way down tubs from the dips(30's) would join them from the left having been "knocked off" the lashing chains. A short distance further on the tubs from the deep hards ran in from the left also having the same system as 90's. This was a gravity pit bottom and all thes tubs had to be lowered or run down to the shaft by means of "lockering" the wheels which was putting a locker, a piece if purpose made wood. round, about 18 inches long and as thick as your wrist into the spokes of the tub wheels thus allowing friction to take over and slow the tubs which were usually run down in sets of six to eight and if you "missed the locker" you had a runaway on your hands. Once at the pit bottom they would be lowered to the bottom deck by a "dropchair", 3 at a time ready to be run onto the chair or cage to be wound up the shaft. The chair carried 3 on each deck and there were 2 decks making 6 per draw. A good average was 66 draws to the hour. The empty tubs were pushed off the chair by the full ones going on and ran 30 yards to a 90degree L/H turn, 200 yards to another 90 degree L/H turn by gravity and then clipped onto an endlss rope to travel some 200 yds up an incline, unclipped and run by gravity then to the Deep Hard, and 90's loader and to the top of 30's plain to be chained on the overhead ropeway to go inbye to 30's loader.(to carry on walking straight on at this turn was the stalls where the deputies stood to book in their men for the days work in each respective district and their checks taken. These checks were then hung in the deputies cabin which was further down for collection at the end of the shift. Carry on past the deputies cabin took you onto the old South level and to the paddy train for 30's.) and were then clipped onto an undertub endless rope haulage and pulled up a rise for about 250/300 yards where they were knocked off the rope and ran to their respective loaders, by gravity. We had a lucrative little scam going as timber lads, At the end of the shift you had to queue at the deputies cabin and wait till the window opened at the end of the shift just before manriding started at No:3, shout your check number and be given youre check which had to be shown to the banksman before you could get on the chair. A lot of the colliers had duplicate checks and so went straigt to the pit bottom to get the first draw and we collected their checks from the cabin as we finished our two hours overtime, which we stopped every day. Price paid for this was either in in sweets or baccy.

The number 2 shaft (Shonky) was sunk originally to the Top Hard level and was deepened to the Low Main when No 3 was sunk. This shaft was not as deep as No 3 due to the inclination of the seam and in addition I reckon there was a fault between the two shafts as well. The difference in depth of the 2 shaft was I believe some 60 or so yards. Just below the Top Hards inset this shaft was "out of true", there was a kink in it and the cages would rub the side of the shaft. I was riding this shaft with the head surveyor and two line lads when the cage struck the side and became wedged. We were there for some considerable time and they fetched Cyril Hazlehurt, the Low Main undermanager to oversee the situation. They decided the only way to free it was by jerking it free with the winding rope and let me tell you, this was terrifying and to hear Cyril say "Has the cap pulled" turned my hair white, there is still 500 yards of shaft to the pit bottom.!!!! Just outside No 2 pit bottom on 90's side and to the right they made 2 "shaft bunkers and all the coal was put into these and loaded into Mine cars to be wound up the pit. thus making everything previously described concerning the pit bottom, redundant. The other side of No2 pit bottom were the old South workings which as I have previously said were not drawn off and sealed. I had made my way to No 2 pit bottom after working overtime along with my mates and we sat down waiting for them to finish winding timber so that we could travel the shaft. The onsetter used to hang his safety lamp on a peg on the wall at about head height and as we sat there, there was a "plop" and the lamp went out. They fetched the deputy from the other side of the shaft where they were making the bunkers and he used his lamp to test and of course the flame spiralled up the lamp bonnet and went "plop" and out. They immediately stopped the cage moving and sent for the undermanager and safety people. For those of you not conversant with methane it puts out a flame safety lamp at 5% and is in the explosive range being most violent between 5.4 and 15%. So as you can appreciate the situation was a bit tetchy, all that was required was a spark to cause a disaster. The people sent for arrived with remakable speed and sallied forth into the old South district opening all the air doors to disperse the methane accumulation. We got an extra couple of hours overtime that afternoon.!!!!

I understand that as the reserves of Low Main and Deep hard became depleted the Blackshale and other seams were explored, none of which were viable resulting in the pits closure as worked out.

I can remember the commencement of the Bramley Vale drift to exploit the Clowne seam being started from inside the pit yard to the front and behind the power house.

As you came into the pit yard from the road the offices were on your left,then the canteen. the baths which were the only double decker baths I can recall, then the medical centre and then the powder magazine. About 100 yard down the yard was the time office and to the right was the No 1 Shaft and pit top buildings. Past the time office to the left was No 2 shaft and to the right of the time office was the lamp cabin . As you left the lamp cabin and walked on, on the level now the fireholes (Boilers) were to the right and the No3 winding house to the left, all the other shops such as blacksmiths, fitters and electricians were in this area, up a slight rise to No 3 shaft.At the top of and behind this shaft were the tub tipplers which turned over and emptied the full tubs which returned round a circuit to the shaft while the coal started its long conveyor journey (6/800 yards) to the screens.

Although the No2 shaft was the manriding shaft, most of the workforce would wait till the end of coalwinding to ride No 3 due to the incline which had to be travelled along the old South level and up to No 2.

More later.
Yorkshireman
13 years ago
Fascinating stuff!!

I found these on an image archive site - maybe you know some of the blokes shown.

http://tinyurl.com/c75pd5t 
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Very interesting to see the old pit yard again but memory dims and i cant put names to faces. The small building on the left looking down the yard is the powder magazine with No1 shaft to the left, the shonky sraight facing and No 3 behind it in the distance.Are you conversant with Glappy or any of its workforce in the late 50's.??
Barry Hadfield
12 years ago
Hi:

I'm the Barry Hadfield you mention in your Glappy entry of 09/11/2012 and I know just about everybody you mention in your write up and can remember every drift and face you describe at Glapwell No.3. After working for Lenny Parry on haulage, I went back-ripping with Frank Wragg in the Deep Hard before going on the face. Amazing to read your article! How the hell are you and more important, WHO are you?

I did go on to get my Colliery Undermanager and Colliery Manager's Certificates and served in these positions with different pits in the No.1 Area of the East Midlands Division of the N.C.B. I married a wonderful girl from Danesmoor (whose Dad worked for me at one time as a Deputy at Williamthorpe). We're still happily married after 51 wonderful years. We emigrated to Canada in 1968 where I continued in mining and made a wonderful life for us, our children and grandchildren. We still go back home to Danesmoor, North Wingfield and Chesterfield almost every year and have only just got back here to Canada after making this trip home in October, a couple of months ago.

If you'd like to keep in contact, please feel free to e-mail me at [email protected] and I'll certianly promise you a reply.

Best wishes. Hope to hear back from you.

Barry Hadfield

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