Ancient_woods
9 years ago
Hello,

I'm new to mining history and research, but looking forward to getting stuck in. My interest is in ancient woodlands and I'm researching open-cast coal mining in Yorkshire woods, specifically Bullcliffe Wood (SE291154), Margery Wood (SE271095), and Billham Shrogg (SE268106).

There is anecdotal evidence of open cast mining in these woods but I'm after maps showing the extent of this, and any other interesting evidence I can find. Any tips or pointer of where to begin would be greatly appreciated!

Looking forward to learning more about mining,

Beth


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9 years ago
Probably the only definitive maps would be held at the Coal Authority in Mansfield.

The Coal Authority Interactive Map Viewer can display past and current surface mining, though only at a fairly large scale. To a greater or lesser extent all three areas look to have had open casting. View here:

http://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/coalauthority/home.html 

The boxes in the key become tickable as you zoom in.

rufenig
9 years ago
If you check the six inch maps available from the NLS site you will probably find a lot of information.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14&lat=53.5955&lon=-1.5813&layers=6&point=-1.5999,53.5866 

For example this one of Billham Shrogg shows sandstone and Coal workings, including a tramway.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102345094 
Iberian
9 years ago
The three sites you mention were probably worked just after WWII. Their should in theory be plans available showing the extent of the opencast site, depth of workings, boreholes etc.
Apart from the Coal Authority, the British Geological Survey at Keyworth, Nottingham may hold information.
Peter Burgess
9 years ago
If there is coverage, you might be able to download lidar scans of the areas you are interested in.
alexECP
9 years ago
Has anyone else tried Coal authority site "Other Publications"
This contains many coal mining area plans which can be
expand to much better than the main maps.
Yorkshireman
9 years ago
Here's an excerpt from the map I'm working on covering the West Riding of Yorkshire for as far back as research takes me to almost the end of coal mining.
This means you get all the various vintages on one map. The background map varies in its vintages and does not include modern, built up areas and also tries to preserve all railways related to mining.

As some of the researched data may be inaccurate in the documents found, the actual locations are "thereabouts".
Quite a few of the shafts marked may also be ironstone, fireclay and combinations of both together with coal

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Bullcliffe-Wood_102848/ 
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Margery-Wood-And-Surrounding-Area_102849/ 

I'll try and get the other area you mentioned up sometime tomorrow.

Cheers
Yorkshireman
9 years ago
Hi,

I've just been looking looking through all the data I have for the area around Clayton West, and there are quite a few collieries and mines - except in Bilham Shrog.

If you do happen to find anything like shallow round depressions or mounds there, they will very probably be ironstone pits dating back many centuries. The stuff I have on my map is all to the west of Bilham Shrog.

Here's an excerpt from my map that could interest you:
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/SuperSize/Clayton-West-Area_102850/ 

Cheers
rufenig
9 years ago
"Yorkshireman" wrote:

Hi,
Here's an excerpt from my map that could interest you:
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/SuperSize/Clayton-West-Area_102850/  Cheers



Who's been a busy boy then. :thumbsup:

Busy miners as well by the look of it.
rufenig
Ancient_woods
9 years ago
Thank you! I'll have a look at the resources everyone has mentioned/provided. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks.
Roger L
9 years ago
If I can help round this area contact me
Mine Lectures & Walks available for around Huddersfield
Ancient_woods
9 years ago
Is it worth trying to get mine abandonment plans from the coal authority? I realise there is a charge for them. Would they clearly show the extent of any workings and the area affected?
Grumpytramp
9 years ago
"Ancient_woods" wrote:

Is it worth trying to get mine abandonment plans from the coal authority? I realise there is a charge for them. Would they clearly show the extent of any workings and the area affected?



That depends on how much detail you really want?

You can identify the extent of the workings by visiting the Coal Authorities online mapping tool here:

http://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/coalauthority/home.html 

On the RHS in the Data Layer menu, click the tab 'Surface Mining (past and current)'. This shows you the extent of the recorded opencast workings.

From this I can identify opencast workings in parts of Bullcliffe Wood and Margery Wood .There are opencast workings in the Hoyland Bank woods to the immediate south of Billham Shrogg (a superb name by the way ........ anyone know its origins?).

The extent of the workings shown on the Coal Authority interactive map viewer is the actual extent of the coal extracted. The actual extent of the excavations will be greater (allowing for excavation slopes and access ramps). In addition the area of disturbance was even greater as there would be a requirement to form overburden, topsoil and subsoil tips. The Coal Authority will hold abandonment plans for the workings which will detail the extent of coal excavated in individual seams (with geological details such as coal thickness, seam sections, faults etc) but probably have little information regarding the extent of excavations.

I know that the workings at Bullcliffe Wood date from around 1944 (more of that in a moment) so would have been carried out by civil engineering contractors under contract to the Ministry of Works (who began the modern opencast coal industry in 1943 to serve the national need). I suspect that due to the limited extent of these workings (effectively stripping the outcrops of individual seams) that they all date from the same period and were probably undertaken by the same contractors. As the works were completed under contract there would have been extensive records kept by the Ministry of Works (photos/plans etc) and it is very likely that these will have been kept in archive (most likely at the National Archive at Kew but possibly in archive of the West Yorkshire Archive Services).

The workings at Bullciffe Wood were underway in 1944 and being undertaken by Sir Lindsay Parkinson (who became Fairclough Parkinson Mining who operated amongst other sites the giant St Adains site near Leeds before being absorbed into the AMEC group and disappearing out of the mining business in the late 1990s). The workings can be seen in this film of the King and Queen visiting the Wakefield Area in 1944 [starting at 1:22]



Its a cracking film. The overburden appears to be stripped by a combination of dragline, with the final overburden layer being removed by a face shovel loading tippler wagons to be hauled to tip by a steam locomotive working on temporary tracks!
Yorkshireman
9 years ago
"There are opencast workings in the Hoyland Bank woods to the immediate south of Billham Shrogg (a superb name by the way ........ anyone know its origins?). "

Apparently, it's Old Middle-English for brushwood (scrub). Similar to the dialect word scroggy, meaning twisted, stunted, used in the North of England and Scotland.
exspelio
9 years ago
"Yorkshireman
Apparently, it's Old Middle-English for brushwood (scrub). Similar to the dialect word scroggy, meaning twisted, stunted, used in the North of England and Scotland.[/quote wrote:



Thanks for reminding me, 'scroggy' is a word we used to use regularly as kids in the estate gangs (gangs in them days meant summat different), not heard it in ages--

I suppose its related to 'scraggy', - skinny and unkempt?


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