Roy Morton
9 years ago
This is old news in these parts. This hole appeared about a couple of weeks ago and is pretty close to another area of subsidence which appeared under an electricity sub station.
The transformers had been sited right on top of Muttrell Engine Shaft, and when it started to go away, the transformers threatened to go with it.
Right across the road is Muttrell Footway Shaft. No sign of movement there.....yet!
This little hole does not appear to be directly related to any of the above, however, it does look like it has been on the move for some time judging by the crack running up the wall of the adjoining property, now adorned with movement gauges.
A local shop keeper said ' It's nothing to do with mining, it's a water leak'
Hmmmmm! Watch this space.....or that one!

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Roy Morton
9 years ago
Thanks Knocker.
I had heard that but couldn't vouch for it's accuracy.
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dmoseley
9 years ago
Huel Muttrall...was once the source of an incredible array of rare copper secondaries. Have any collectors been sniffing around the hole?
Roy Morton
9 years ago
Err....Guilty....::)
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Tony Blair
9 years ago
If you put MRO-R18 over R245 and get it to line up properly, Muttrall Shaft corresponds to Muttrall West Shaft, which is sunk on the rather-stoped tin lode. There is a bit of a historic enigma which Ham Jenks was also unclear about....that Muttrall Lode was actually a tin lode. The later plans do not show the tin lode, but call the main telegraph hill copper lode "Muttrall Lode". I think this is wrong. Thomas, with his 1819 map and report, calls the main lode "Wheal Unity Lode" (which it is) and refers to the tin lode separately.

It is unclear whether the tin lode is parallel to the copper lode (this is referred to in text, but the R18 plan when overlaid, looks like the adit level in the Muttrall Section follows the outcrop of the tin lode and the copper lode was developed after. My latest think is that the footway shaft is an adit shaft, and Old and East Muttrall Shafts are on the outcrop of tin lode. I think Wheal Muttrall was a tin mine and later on, the further development of Gorland involved stripping out the copper on Wheal Unity lode....where I don't expect it was very rich.

There are a couple of anomalies indicated on the R18 plan and if the tin lode was an earlier thing (which would account for it's different mineralisation and dip) it's possibly displaced by "a load" of meters and then this would all make sense. If this isn't the case (and there are no other older structures which would show a similar displacement) it means there is a whole lot more unrecorded structures which would really complicate things.

I'm going to have a look at the very early Wheal Gorland cost book in CRO, to see if there is any other written information as to what was what. It's quite clear that Wheal Unity Lode (the minerally copper one) was quite a major show, but things indicate the muttrall shafts were first used for tin, on the tin lode. The copper being hit at depth, on the underlie.

Either way, the evidence for everything is severely limited and I'm sure at some point, more evidence will be obtained, one way or another.

One thing is certain, it is VERY interesting.

Another thing, from a minerals point of view is the difference between Robert's Lode (aka Great Gossan lode) which was the source of a lot of the tile ore and cuprite and the rest of it being earlier and of different composition.

Looking at the plans and seeing what cuts what, it appears that there was (perhaps) a tin mineralisation resulting in the tin lode, then the main NE-SW copper mineralisation and then perhaps a further series of movements resulting in "stuff" on the strike of Great Gossan, then everything being subjected to crosscourse movement later on.

It is a proper puzzle which requires a lot more evidence to get a handle on. It's quite likely that early mineral samples are caught up in the nomenclatural confusion so little can be inferred from their characteristics.

It would most certainly be interesting to see if there are any pillars left in the tin lode and whether these can give an indication of the nature of the lode.

I'd be interested in having a chat with anyone who is trying to make sense of the layout of the area.

The material in the west shaft tip doesn't seem to be very interesting. There are no sulphides present at all. The initial thought was that west shaft was to the west, footway was old shaft and that put "another shaft" where one was found and capped years ago. That would have put west shaft as a later addition, which miraculously appeared on the later plans.

Sadly, the records the old men left are either in private collections, or are rubbish. I don't know where the plans were copied from, but the later ones are MRO copies of something earlier and missing..
Alasdair Neill
9 years ago
Would be very interested to hear anything about fluorspar at Wheal Gorland beyond previous discussions. Have gone through a lot of the collections of the various Lords at Truro & Exeter, but unfortunately a lot of one of the lords' archives ended up in California. Preliminary feelers there have so far failed to come up with anything so far. Wheal Gorland had the reputation of being the biggest fluorspar mine in the World under the Williams's.
dmoseley
9 years ago
Anything of substance worth reporting?;)
dmoseley
9 years ago
Thank you Neill for the interesting information.Have you checked out.archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com.they mention the tin load, and also refer to the presence of abundant fluorspar.
Roy Morton
9 years ago
Fluorite appears on the footwall of Davey's lode at shallow adit level. A dirty ice colour near Simm's or West Shaft, and purplish at the east end. Nowhere really in abundance, but I would expect more at deeper levels given the nature of the traces that are left above water level.
The supergene enrichment zone is below water level, and a blockage in the link to county adit seems responsible for keeping the water artificially high, so what lies below can only be guessed at at present.
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Tin Miner
9 years ago
Is there anything (CRO) for the 1910 period of Wolfram mining at Wheal Gorland? - May have a small bearing on things!

Regards Tin Miner
Roy Morton
9 years ago
Logical thinking Chris, but the wolfram was left by the old men and was, IIRC, on the footwall of the old copper lode stopes. The wolfram working was by Edgar Allen and Co of Sheffield and all they had to do was to rip off the wolfram from the side of the lode. Very little development was undertaken during this short period. The subsidence (at the top of this page) is from early copper working and predates Edgar Allen's wolfram venture.
All the records held by EA&Co were apparently sent to London and subsequently destroyed in the blitz.
The UK mine inspectorate used to be based at Edgar Allen House in Sheffield.
Some interesting stuff about the company here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allen_and_Company 
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Tin Miner
9 years ago
Hello Roy - Many thanks for the updated info. I didn't have time to look at the history of that particular period of working. Just a sudden thought (ouch). Hope you're well, and get to the bottom (not literally) of the workings.

Regards Chris
Roy Morton
9 years ago
A similar happening at St Day Road Redruth some years ago, when a shaft (Pedn-an-Drea) opened up in the corner of a garden belonging to a bungalow. It took out the garden wall and fair old chunk of the lawn.
I dropped the shaft with a few other other guys, and discovered evidence of another shaft which we plotted to be outside the front door of the property.
Nothing to date has been done about treating it.
The property was up for sale some months back and I contacted the agent and emailed some shots of what we had found.
Was anything done? Hmmmmm!
I noticed today that the new owners have taken the wall down and laid a concrete pad to park their car on, and although this is not on the site of the 'hidden' shaft, there's still no sign of anything having been done to locate and treat it.
I think judges could be deliberating on this one too.







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