Thanks guys, now i want to delve deeper, its not the Erick fisher one this is over the hill nearer the old barn not far from the road it has massive stone slabs over the shaft ,i will go and have a word with the farmer if he is still going , now i will see if i can get a winch organised and will post it up if anyone fancy's a trip p m me and let me know ,buy the way the farmer told us about a mine down the road going towards winster called steps mine its on the 1840 map he told me when he was a lad you could go in the adit at the side of the road and go down a spiral staircase for hundreds of feet how true i do not know, well thanks all .