tiger99
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9 years ago
As far as I am aware, the tram route does extend to the airport, it was the heavy rail scheme that was cancelled. But yes, it is true that a vast area around there is underlain by shale workings and there have been numerous cases of subsidence. Somewhere on the north side of the old A9 road, a field had numerous warning signs on it due to subsidence.

I see a "Shale Pit " and "Ingliston Pit" between the runway and the River Almond. That could explain why they, seemingly stupidly, built the new terminal on the south side, when it would have been easy to reach it by rail on the north side of the site near the old buildings (not necessarily the north side of the runway), and why, much to my annoyance some years ago, when I would have preferred to use it, the old A9 was removed without an adequate substitute, in view of the volume of traffic in the morning rush hour.

A Mineral Railway ran almost parallel to the runway. Gone well before my time, as was the NBR South Queensferry Branch running north through Kirkliston. Apparently trainspotting forums frequently argue whether it was single or double track, if they bothered to go out and look, or study the old maps, they would see that it was single.

On the rare occasions nowadays that I visit Edinburgh it is by rail, which is very convenient. Perhaps just as well, now I feel safer that way....

I don't know the largest size of aircraft which is allowed to use Edinburgh, but can visualise an A380 with its tail stuck vertically in the air when the nosegear breaks through the runway into a crown hole.... The A380 seems to be very prone to mishaps.
tiger99
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9 years ago
Thinking about it, I was at one time taking a risk on the trains, before they shifted the track in two places, near Wallyford and Prestonpans if I remember correctly, due to subsidence from shallow mine workings.

Last time I passed that way, they seemed to be building a housing estate on one of the sites. I can't remember the builder, it certainly was not Barratt, who lost a fortune on fixing a new estate to the east of Edinburgh, which could have gone the way of a street of council houses and several blocks of flats not all that far away a few years earlier.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1463512.stm 
https://www.bgs.ac.uk/downloads/start.cfm?id=239 
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11961398.National_alert_over_hazard__of_old_mines_Councils_warned_of_danger_to_housing/ 

They are still at it:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/mine-subsidence-land-to-be-new-housing-plot-1-3386857 

I wonder how well filled the workings really will be...
tiger99
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9 years ago
While researching something else I found this:

http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12837&sid=af8d5dd79c70698f5762b6c97fbea150 

It seems that Glasgow is still troubled by mining subsidence. I remember seeing at least one of the shafts in Robroyston from passing trains.
Alasdair Neill
9 years ago
The Gunnislake adit was causing major problems when the mine was working in the 1830's/40's, so just a bit of retimbering is probably not going to be of much use for long term drainage retention.

The father of a friend (now deceased) was based at the Perranporth Airfield (Cligga) during the War, & remembered a Liberator (I think it was) taxing when it suddenly tilted over. It was assumed the undercarriage had collapsed, but in fact it had gone down a shaft.
Tony Blair
9 years ago
Perranporth Airfield is very interesting. There are some sags in the tarmac associated with the outcrop of Good Fortune Lode. It isn't clear how the shafts are capped. I suspect they predate operation minecap (which got a few within the perimeter of the airfield). The interesting (and probably very large) one is Devonshire Engine Shaft (to the right of the hanger) which you can't get below. It's easy to look at the old maps and think most of Perran St George is perranporth side of cligga ind est. It appears most of it is under the airfield. Interestingly, the main adit is dry and when you get to north engine shaft aka letcher's shaft, the water is about 8ft down. The section shows the Great St George section having a lower adit and that having a portal south of cligga (under a collapse). I've found what I believe to be the outcrop of both lodes and sadly, they are both non-goers. Perran St George is a fascinating hole. My gut feeling is that holes will open on the airfield in the future.

(and I am ready with my pins and bit of carpet!)

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