kieronyoung
12 years ago
Sorry changing this as i was kinda busy when writing my original hello

Hey, I am kieron and from South yorkshire. Always been interested in caving/ mining and really want to get our and about but never had the chance/money/ or know how to do it.

so i am here for advice/ support ect. prefere mining to caving but never done either.

sorry if offended any one in previous post. it might come across as snobbery/ patronising but i have been really busy/ tired for the last few days and was writing what i wanted to say but in the wrong way.
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12 years ago
"kieronyoung" wrote:



PS. ii ask what i want and i dont like beating around the bush.



Just a friendly hint, if you want people to give up their precious free time for your benefit then there might be some merit in lightening up a tad.

Otherwise welcome to the site.
Wormster
12 years ago
"kieronyoung" wrote:

BUT i don't want to be dangling 500ft down a cliff on a rope screaming for my life, p1ssing my self, whilst everyone above and below are videoing it and laughing.



Oh grow a set and MTFU - you're going to get the p1$$ ripped out of you at some point :lol:
Better to regret something you have done - than to regret something you have not done.
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12 years ago
Heyyy guys. Lighten up and give the guy a break!
Hello kieronyoung, welcome to AN. In spite of first impressions we're a friendly bunch.
OK. Not the best of starts but I see from your other post you're based in Yorkshire. I'm Midlands based so not my area but I think your best chance will be in N. Derbyshire. Plenty of walk ins there (though you'll still get mucky and wet :blink: )
🙂
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kieronyoung
12 years ago
"JR" wrote:

Heyyy guys. Lighten up and give the guy a break!
Hello kieronyoung, welcome to AN. In spite of first impressions we're a friendly bunch.
OK. Not the best of starts but I see from your other post you're based in Yorkshire. I'm Midlands based so not my area but I think your best chance will be in N. Derbyshire. Plenty of walk ins there (though you'll still get mucky and wet :blink: )
:)



Thanks-- No its my fault they are being harsh, i was a d1ck in my first post.
christwigg
12 years ago
I don't know your specific area, but I suspect you're deep in coal country where you're very unlikely to get in anywhere. Derbyshire will be your best bet, as already mentioned

That said, have you been to Caphouse Colliery near Wakefield yet ?
http://www.ncm.org.uk/visitors/underground-tours 

OK its not proper 'exploring' as its a tourist mine.

But that said I think its one of the best ones, you'll get a good hour underground for free, so perhaps a good idea if you've never been underground at all.
kieronyoung
12 years ago
oh i have been to the NCm when i was about 10 loved it. (required a second visit next day to go under again)

I am in south Yorkshire.

When i was about 12 we went in wingfield woods and found the entrance to the old mine their, about 6 weeks later went back and it was totally sealed off, (good thing thinking about it)
Wormster
12 years ago
"kieronyoung" wrote:

Thanks-- No its my fault they are being harsh, i was a d1ck in my first post.



At least you have the cahunas to own up to that one, most n00bs, would have fought back!

Welcome to the nuthouse, pull up a chair, pour yourself a stiff drink and have a look about, there will eventually be something you'll find to fit your perfect first explore! :thumbup:
Better to regret something you have done - than to regret something you have not done.
kieronyoung
12 years ago
i think all miners/cavers must be mentally challenged its the thrid forum who says welcome to the nuthouse lol. X :glare:
Wormster
12 years ago
I think you'll find a few of us post on many forums, but yeah these places can be a bit like bedlam, just don't ask silly questions like "what's the best light" or "which hardhat to get" because that's when the midden hits the windmill as it were!
Better to regret something you have done - than to regret something you have not done.
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12 years ago
Heyup mate - I'm originally from Kimberworth, so grew up cycling on the Winterhills slagheaps and fishing in the 'Engine Pond' (now I know what that means!) - now in Sheffield, so not far away. I don't drive, but that doesn't usually stop me often. Ironically I looked for the Wingfield mine when I was a kid but never really knew where to look!

There's a few places I can think of here and there in N Derbyshire that don't require SRT and are legal - Moorfurlong in Bradwell is a short ladder entry for a great lead-mine tryout. Many mines in Castleton require a deep drop to get to, which I'm guessing you're not too bothered about yet! Of the ones there that don't, Peakshole Sough just outside Peak Cavern is a great walk-in trip but needs permission as it's gated - also Old Tor Mine in Winnats Pass, which also needs a key from the NT, but they're usually cool with it.

Also Great Masson above Matlock is a great one for a safe poke-around in a rabbit-warren of passages, though I wouldn't like to guide you alone, as I'd get lost! But there's plenty on here who know it well, so I'm sure that would be a good introduction without too much trauma. How are you on small passages? Many mines can be crawly or vertically tight, depending on how the mineral was laid down in the first place. If you're not too worried about claustrophobia, it'll widen the options somewhat 😉
JR
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12 years ago
Quote:

If you're not too worried about claustrophobia, it'll widen the options somewhat


If you are worried about claustrophobia perhaps you should reconsider your options? 😮
sleep is a caffeine deficiency.
kieronyoung
12 years ago
"pwhole" wrote:

Ironically I looked for the Wingfield mine when I was a kid but never really knew where to look!



about 5 minutes from wingfield comp. school pond, now near a car park (used to be the international centre and before that the school for naughty boys (borstall/approved school) but its got 3 inch concrete blocking the hole.

not claustrophobic,
AR
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12 years ago
The best options for a complete beginner in the Peak are Devonshire Cavern at Matlock Bath or Mouldridge Mine at Pikehall, both are walk-in mines and have a decent amount to see without needing to go off into the crawly bits.
Follow the horses, Johnny my laddie, follow the horses canny lad-oh!
LeeW
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12 years ago
I went to Devonshire Cavern/Mine on my first (non field trip/tourist trip) visit underground just before Christmas. It is a nice mine to get started and being an old show cavern getting around is fairly easy. We spent a few hours there just keeping to the main cavern/passage area. Access to it is fairly easy and just requires a Derbyshire Key (although didn't need one when we went). They are only a few places where you can end up turning down the wrong passage. Only found two maps of the system, but neither are that brilliant to read.

Depends how much you want to travel, Peak District is the nearest (for u/g mines) but North Pennines is only about 2hours drive.

I know where Mouldridge Mine is, but is any permission need to access the site (it's off the public footpath?)

Where ever you go, make sure you go with at least someone else, and someone back homes knows where you are going and approx times.
I went in a mine once.... it was dark and scary..... full of weirdos


When do I get my soapbox, I need to rant on about some b***cks
AR
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12 years ago
Mouldridge is on access land, sopark at Pikehall, cross the road (probably the most dangerous part of the whole trip!) and walk down the valley, access through the obvious adit entrance.
Follow the horses, Johnny my laddie, follow the horses canny lad-oh!
LeeW
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12 years ago
"AR" wrote:

Mouldridge is on access land, sopark at Pikehall, cross the road (probably the most dangerous part of the whole trip!) and walk down the valley, access through the obvious adit entrance.



Tell me about it! I have walked (on numerous times) the path from Elton then along the short bit of road (the 'straight-on bend' junction on the Gellia) to the footpath back down to the dale - I hate it and don't do it any more. Not walked the bit to Pikehall; that part of the road is a little fast.
I went in a mine once.... it was dark and scary..... full of weirdos


When do I get my soapbox, I need to rant on about some b***cks
Graigfawr
12 years ago
I'm a bit late, but welcome Kieron.

Like you I lived in a coalfield area and was inspired to explore non-ferrous mines - thanks to Dick Bird's pictorial books (newly published way back then) which showed not just historic photos but also photos of people exploring disused mines 😮 So I started off exploring and surveying abandoned coal levels; by a mix of luck, caution and reading around, I survived. In due course I found myself with wheels and living within reach of non-ferrous mines and slate quarries which I explored with friends from a caving club that had a strong interest in mines as well as caves.

If you lack wheels and have difficulty in rustling-up friends to go underground with, you could do worse than start off with a caving club (you said you were interested in both mines and caves). Caving clubs and independent cavers are more numerous than mine explorers so this kight be an easier way to start off. The main thing is to get used to the underground environment (whether natural or mined), try different equipment, and get a feel for things. Most cavers (especially those that cave in Derbyshire) do at least some mining. There must be some club members within reach of wherever you live in South Yorkshire who could give you a lift to meets, whether in North Yorkshire (or maybe mines in Northumerland or Cumbria) or in Derbyshire (where there is a good mix of mines and caves - often inter-connected).

As other posters have said up-thread, Derbyshire is probably the best and most convenient area for you to start in. I'm a member of a Derbyshire club and have done a moderate amount there. The inter-connecting caves and mines (some Derbyshire caves were discovered by mines breaking into them) are a specially interesting feature of going underground in the region, and is not often found in other regions of the country. Indeed, it would be difficult in Derbyshire to limit yourself to only mines, or to only caves, as so many are inter-connected.

Most caving clubs have mine explorers amongst their members - just ask how much mine exploration the club does before joining. Most caving clubs run a couple of mine exploration tripss each year - often to Cumbria, Northumerland / North Yorkshire, Wales or Cornwall - all of which are classic areas.

You may get an offer of some trips from this website. You could also introduce yourself on the uk caving website and ask whether there are any clubs in your area that do a reasonable amount of mining [Edit: I see you've already enquired on uk caving]. There is a good list of clubs, with contact details, published in 'Descent' magazine which appears every two months. The NAMHO website has a list of mine exploration clubs (and caving clubs with an interest in mine exploration) with links to those clubs' websites. Many club websites contain lists of meets so you can gauge how much mine exploration they do, and what regions of the country they tend to visit.

So my advice is to get underground with whatever cavers or mine explorers live closest to you, examine and try out various equipment, and get a general feel for the underground. And if its in Derbyshire you can't fail to visit non-ferrous mines.
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12 years ago
There are a few trips in the planning stage for later on in the year, so watch this space :thumbup:
In the meantime, as mentioned before, a club is the best way forward. You will soon find that along with the organised trips they run, the members are always out and about doing something 🙂
Yma O Hyd....
pwhole
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12 years ago
Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm in the TSG too...;)

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