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J25GTi
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12 years ago

Does anyone have a copy of the coal board wiring regulations at alll? I might have some work coming in for some wiring underground and want to check the regs.

I am a fully qualified electrician but normal regulations don't cover mines haha!

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Tamarmole
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12 years ago

What you are after is "The electricity at work regs 1989 - The use of electricity in mines."

There is also an ACOP issued in 2001.

You should be able to get these via the HMSO website.

staffordshirechina
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12 years ago

If you are doing electrical things in a coal mine you will need considerably more than ordinary electrical qualifications.
Different rules apply completely.
If you are doing things in a non-coal mine it is less of a problem but there are specific rules for certain aspects, things like much larger earth conductors etc.

sinker
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12 years ago

It will NOT be straightforward!
You could try asking Pingu very nicely, as he has just finished phase 1 of some wiring/cabling upgrades in a North Wales mine, albeit not coal. I'll let him explain what it was and where and for whom etc..... 😉
You could PM him but I know that he and Will are currently paddling an inflatable up a flooded level 4 floors down in Bwlch Y Plwm....they are expected out tonight at some point though :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yma O Hyd....

Ty Gwyn
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12 years ago

Surely your having us on?
Would`nt think any colliery owner would be foolish enough to have a non qualified underground electrician install anything,

Vince Fowler would eat them up and spit them out.

J25GTi
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12 years ago

I just ask for the coal board book as I know they did a pretty comprehensive book to read on it. I never said I was wiring a coal mine.

And as for all the people who say it is difficult etc. Then that is tosh.

An electrical system is one and the same wether it is underground, above ground or under water.

I am not just an average electrician who wires houses. I think a mine is well within my capabilities...

sinker
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12 years ago

You know best..... :smartass:

Yma O Hyd....

J25GTi
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12 years ago

"Tamarmole" wrote:
What you are after is "The electricity at work regs 1989 - The use of electricity in mines."

There is also an ACOP issued in 2001.

You should be able to get these via the HMSO website.

Ideal Rick, thank you for that! Should have just emailed you to begin with lol.

Regards

Jamie

staffordshirechina
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12 years ago

Mine wiring may well be within your capabilities but to comply with mining law you must also have the necessary mining electrical certification.
You would also need mining training to allow you to work underground as well as electrical training.

As Ty Gwyn says, any mine manager who allowed an unqualified electrician to work underground would be on a very sticky wicket.......

miner1985
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12 years ago

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Sticky wicket the HMI would come down like a ton of bricks and would fine the manager/owner.

J25GTi
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12 years ago

#11

Guys, its all very well saying all this. But there are far too many assumptions been made.

I don't need advice on what qualifications I may or may not need along with the legalities of it all it is irrelvant.

I just wanted to know where I could get the bs guide, or the coal board guide or any other essential documents that are required

staffordshirechina
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12 years ago

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You are missing the point here. There is no guide. There are some training manuals and the actual legislation document but the actual 'how to' is gained during training, passed from father to son since time began...........

J25GTi
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12 years ago

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"staffordshirechina" wrote:
You are missing the point here. There is no guide. There are some training manuals and the actual legislation document but the actual 'how to' is gained during training, passed from father to son since time began...........

I just need to know the rules governing the installations. The rest of it isn't difficult. :glare:

Everyone always has such a negative attitude to things like this assuming its always really difficult and specialised. Wiring is wiring like I said. So rather than just negative comments telling me that its not possible how about back it up with something useful like links to websites that I would need to look at etc to back your point up?

I have always specialised in out of the ordinary and special installations. This is the next logical progression, and can guaruntee you like every other piece of my work it will be in line with all appropriate legislation and regulations.

Trewillan
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12 years ago

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"J25GTi" wrote:

I just need to know the rules governing the installations....

....links to websites that I would need to look at etc....

All the statutory stuff is avaialble on Gov, HMSO and HSE web sites. Technical details must also be easy enough to find.

Have you tried googling these yourself?

Ty Gwyn
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12 years ago

#15

Or have a word with qualified ex NCB sparkies on the Welshcoalmines forum.

I suggest asking Blaenboy,Maerdy trained,and after closure worked with heavy industrial installations.

He seems to know his chips.

Tamarmole
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12 years ago

#16

"staffordshirechina" wrote:
to comply with mining law you must also have the necessary mining electrical certification..

I am not sure that this is strictly correct.

With regard to "Mining Law" my understanding is that it is the responsibility of the Mine Manager to appoint a competent person (s) to carry out electrical work. Reg 16 of the electrical regs states that in assessing competence "account should be taken of: (a) experience, technical knowledge and ability to understand the system and electrical equipment on which work is being carried out...."

In the context of coal, shale and fireclay assessing competence will include approved qualifications (including mine electrical qualifications).

However MASHAM Appendix 1 para 5 specifically states "No qualifications have yet been approved for mines other than mines of coal, shale and fireclay".

My reading of this is that approved qualifications are not required in law in mines other than coal, shale and fireclay.

somersetminer
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12 years ago

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"Tamarmole" wrote:

My reading of this is that approved qualifications are not required in law in mines other than coal, shale and fireclay.

I think thats right, coal is a special case, as I understand it in other mines the mine manager has the power to issue tickets for using certain equipment and carrying out certain procedures (on the mine site) that would require an independant assessment in other trades

staffordshirechina
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12 years ago

#18

Correct, I was referring to the coal aspect of this thread.

Other mines are more lenient. The mine that I manage uses electricians from the company's surface installations for any underground work. They just do their work to mining rules, not surface rules. However, they are used to dealing with the heavy equipment and cabling that we have, so not much change. They do not have formal underground mine training so are under 'close personal supervision' at all times when working.