spitfire
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16 years ago
I was looking at the many photos' that have been uploaded of Dinorwig and was distgusted at the state that Y CABAN is in.
The sad part about this is that this mindless act has not been carried out by local yobs, but like minded persons such as ourselves.
I know it is not the "done thing", but would it not be an idea for a couple of kind persons to climb up there and whitewash over this mess? Surely that would be better than to leave this wonderful artfact as it is.
I shall be uploading some photos' that I took in 1979 when it was in "as left" condition complete with stove. I am sorry about the sharpness of the photos' as they were printed from slides but they are better than nothing.
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Vanoord
16 years ago
That's a fascinating concept, worthy of some consideration!

Would it be justified to remove graffiti that has been put somewhere since it was closed, even if that graffiti has been there for three decades?

I think seeing the 1979 photographs may be very illuminating 🙂
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16 years ago
Thanks for your quick reply Vanoord.
The point I was trying to make was that this is not a fitting memorial to those that worked there and took such a pride in the place
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carnkie
16 years ago
"Vanoord" wrote:


Would it be justified to remove graffiti that has been put somewhere since it was closed, even if that graffiti has been there for three decades?



I know one person who does. Robert Horne has an excellent site on ancient Greece. He has put in alot of work recently on the subject of grafiti. Not exactly the same as the point you and spitfire are discussing but the concept is the same.

http://www.rjhorne.com/Main_HTML/graffiti-davelis-cave.html 

http://www.rjhorne.com/Main_HTML/graffiti.html 
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hymac580c
16 years ago
There is one part of what one could call 'graffiti' which should be preserved. And that is a list headed 'Hogia Pen Garet' and which has a list of all the men that worked at this level (Garet).
It is located to the left just behind the lad with the mustache in this photo -

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/supersize/Dinorwig-Slate-Mine-User-Album-Image-026/ 
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spitfire
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16 years ago
That is fair comment, would it not be more fitting to record their names on a slate plaque?
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16 years ago
"spitfire" wrote:

That is fair comment, would it not be more fitting to record their names on a slate plaque?



It probably would be, but a slate plaque I couldn't help but think would not have the authenticity of the original names scribed on the wall. You run into original graffiti underground from time to time as well.

The problem with this sort of grafitti is that some of it is now up to three decades old, so whilst it's of no historical merit, it does itself have a history, of a sort. But no, I'm not advocating preservation of 'bazza loves tracey' style of scrawl!
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16 years ago
Selectively erasing graffiti is a little close to creating something that never existed is it not?
If you paint out some and leave others then what is left is simply somebodies interpretation of what once was.
What is there now is excesive but removal of parts of it is a little like editting the history of the place.
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16 years ago
"spitfire" wrote:

The sad part about this is that this mindless act has not been carried out by local yobs, but like minded persons such as ourselves.



What? You mean someone other than mineral collectors has vandalised a site?
Vanoord
16 years ago
"Level1" wrote:

What? You mean someone other than mineral collectors has vandalised a site?



:offtopic:

[mod] Indeed: we've even come across capacitor collectors vandalising. But let's not go back to minerals shall we? 😉 [/mod]
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16 years ago
Sorry, I just couldn't resist it. Returning to the subject of graffiti, what is graffiti now, will be heritage in 100 years time, not that that is an excuse to write it. I have also found it interesting to read names and dates in out of the way spots indicating who explored there in the past, although I have never felt tempted to make my own contribution.
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16 years ago
I'll back that... it was strange going to Dinorwig for the first time and reading all the names... whilst I don't condone it, its still interesting to see all those names so high up there showing who had been there before.

We used to have a factory wall near one of our trainspotting haunts from the 70's and it was almost a history of kids in the area scratched on it including me and many people long forgotten... I was actually quite sad when they bulldozed it... and very glad I photographed it for my own records, all those names were kind of a Langley Mill whose who of growing up.:angel:

Fraid to say unless we fence everywhere off its always gonna happen and always has!
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hymac580c
16 years ago
To be realistic, if you painted the walls with whitewash or masonary paint it would only create a clean slate for more graffiti to be written. My view is that it is best left as it is.
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