Just wanted to offer these on here before I List them on eBay I have 2 of these for sale both are out of calibration but complete no marks on them in good condition one bag has a name wrote on it I shall attach photos if any interest please let me no . The site I have linked to are exactly the same

Open to offers fire away great peace’s of kit


http://www.pointsafety.com/honeywell-fenzy-bio-s-cape-15-minute-escape-set/ 

Ok we have been here before.
I don't have time to explain fully why, and I can't find my previous posting on the same subject, but basically DO NOT OFFER THESE FOR SALE on a recreational mine exploring forum.
NOT great pieces of kit.
They will lull inexperienced people into a false sense of security.

Briefly:

I use these every day in work and I know their uses and limitations.
Walking down a level at a reasonable pace will empty a 15 minute escape set in under ten minutes.
Walking up an incline probably five minutes.
Working hard or climbing ladders in caving kit that escape set will be empty in under five minutes.

If you insist on selling them then get them re-charged, recalibrated and sell them into industry where they belong otherwise throw them in a skip or weigh the bottles in as scrap.

If someone buys one of these thinking he will be safe in a coal mine you will have a fatality on your conscience and blood on your hands; simple as that.

If you have been wandering around in dodgy atmospheres carrying these around then you need to get in touch with me and I will explain how lucky you are that you have never needed to use them.

PM me if you or anyone else want to discuss further. :thumbup:

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Il remove the post to save any confusion mate and message you many thanks , I also use these at work in drains a different atmosphere I understand, but have never had a problem with these and all the people I no use them but am Interested in what you can teach me about them I have done many escapes at work with these but you learn something new everyday !

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If you two are going to discuss BA could you do it on the open forum so that we all (mainly me) can benefit? 😉

If you two are going to discuss BA could you do it on the open forum so that we all (mainly me) can benefit? ;D

Hi yes sorry. basically what I outlined above.

15 minute escape set, any make although Draeger are far and away superior, will give you *approx* 15 minutes of air if you are sitting, resting, breathing normally.
They are designed to get you out of a chamber or manhole or sewer where you can *basically* see your exit. Low risk, easy access/egress.
Anything other than that will deplete the supply rapidly.
If you have walked for 15 minutes into a coal mine and suddenly your detector goes off by time you panic, react, faff around, put your escape set on and start walking or running or climbing back with adrenaline pumping, heart rate racing, breathing rate doubled you'd be lucky to make it half way back.

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I agree whole-heartedly with Sinker. There is no place in mine exploration for this type of equipment.

If you need air underground then a). you shouldn't be there, or b). you need a fan and air ducting.
b). is actually easier nowadays as you can buy layflat polythene food packaging in many sizes and long rolls very cheaply for throwaway ducting.
However, even that is not straightforward, you can force a plug of foul air behind yourself and be trapped in a bubble of good air.

Il remove the post to save any confusion mate and message you many thanks , I also use these at work in drains a different atmosphere I understand, but have never had a problem with these and all the people I no use them but am Interested in what you can teach me about them I have done many escapes at work with these but you learn something new everyday !

As you've used them working in sewers I presume, then you'll have been trained in Confined space entry as the regulations expect and your familiar with working in such places. Including the proper use of equipment such as escape sets and gas monitors. And unless your only qualified to manage an entry from up top, at the training you'll also have had to practice using escape sets in near real environments where they drum into you pretty much what sinker has mentioned.

As far as such work in such places go, there are many unknowingly fortunate people out there who have repeatedly got lucky but too many that have not. And how the incident statistics are seemingly so low for explorers is another subject.

Some tea break reading...
https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg258.pdf 

sorry for the late reply , yes I have done the gas monitor training 4x and confined spaces , confined spaces training and gas monitor was both payed for by work and held at the same
Place altitude safety irthlingborough , on the confines spaces training you do all the paperwork watch the videos etc then you each get given a non live set of b/a “escape set “ because you cannot take a live set and open the bag to learn how to put the mask on as when you yank the Handel it pulls the pin out of the cylinder , so on this part of the training you learn how to use your mask properly straps etc or hooded if you not clean shaven for obvious reasons , then it’s normaly lunch time after lunch you go up to the top of the offices get on your harness group up in your work team and they lift a hatch in the
Floor where your top man clips you on the winch / tripod and you climb all the way down into the cellar of the building down here you enter wooden tunnels pretend to fix joins in pipes or likewise after normaly 5 Minutes they shout gas gas gas and you have to quickly put your mask :hood on and get out the pipes without rushing then que for the winch out in real life it’s all very differnt when the alarm goes of in a drain to training .


Anyway mines around here I have tried to explain on other posts, sadly we don’t have rescue teams etc and access is very limited without getting into unnecessary debates ,It was because of this and my years doing mines here I joined this site to learn things of new people and hopefully widen my knowledge and meet new people ,maybe I have been wrong in your eyes carrying escape sets in are iron mines here but I disagree taking extra precautions is wrong , yes no item will ever keep you safe and you should never put your faith in technology for example a 4x is rubbish compared to a true saftey lamp but I would rather have both if I felt it was needed .
The mines here are all iron and 7/10 days their safe you can enter on another day immediately exit Also some times the bad air chases you out it changes within meters and goes from 19-14 the escape sets we all carry where incase it went from 19-10 even then I would like to think I would stick it on keep carm and walk out .

The two I listed earlier I didn’t mean no offence by this I would never state anything keeps you safe ,they was not my own personal one I would never sell this As I still shall take it. a few of the group here sadly quit and have been sitting around and now the wife wants the room they was in for other things

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