I'm considering another reprint of this book if there is enough interest cost will be around £16 if you can please pm if interested

Mike

Anyone who hasn't got this book should vote "YES" right now!There is no better way to spend sixteen quid.
I know someone who would want a copy so put me down please Mike. Can you get Graham to sign them again?? ;D

PM sent:thumbup:

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Hi Mike

Would deffo have one if reprinted.Thanks

Andy:thumbsup:

Yes please.

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Always after copies! I bet gb customers would buy them.

Will it be updated at all?

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What sort of content is there?

What sort of content is there?

There's a summary of the content on a parallel thread over on ukcaving.

I'll take the one.

What sort of content is there?

There's a summary of the content on a parallel thread over on ukcaving.

I see no point in reinventing the wheel so thanks to Robjones on UK Caving

"Comprehensive history of Cwmorthin slate mine including working techniques, companies histories, workforce details, accidents, machinery; full plans and a number of sections. Very readable as well as information-dense. A benchmark for studies of slate mines. Of interest to cavers and mine explorers because access conditions are exceptionally straightforward and the workings are vertically and horizontally extensive with plentiful early C20 equipment remaining in situ. Any visit is enriched by reading the book before and after"

Mike

I see Miles asking if it will be updated.
I would humbly suggest that the best person to do an update would be the mine operator who has done all the recent work.:thumbsup::thumbsup:


And that would be? :angel: 😉

It's Miles, although Graham as author knows more than anyone

Mike

I'm not asking "for an update", just asking if there "will be an update". Sometimes books are simply reprinted, other times they are updated if more information comes to light, or if earlier information turns out inaccurate.

In response to Rufenig, thanks for your confidence but Grahams book is Grahams book, and it should stay that way unless he decides otherwise.

That said, I hope one day, perhaps even far in the future, people will look back and recognise Go Below's leasehold as a relevant chapter in the mines long history. The same for whoever picks up the batten after us. Mines like Cwm are not frozen in time and never will be, each custodian leaves its mark in a never-ending story.

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I've no idea of Graham's or Miles' views but will stick my neck out and suggest that consideration might be given to a short update to record the main events between original publication in 1982 and the present. Maybe only a page or two in the manner that Simon Hughes updated the second edition of his Cwmystwyth monograph in 1993 with the main events since the 1981 first edition.

This would ensure that that key events were recorded in print - such as dates of ownership, loss or discovery of major passages or areas of workings, the period during which Back Vein workings below Oakley G floor were temporarily accessible following pumping-out, date of repair to the floor B to Lake Level stairway in the Back Vein, etc.

... each custodian leaves its mark in a never-ending story.

Well put - clearly a natural author!

Hehehe thanks, but I'm no writer.

The contents of grahams book are his decision alone, but should he ask for input from me I would of course oblige, as I'm sure anyone would.

It's a great piece of work about a great place. It certainly had an effect on me all those years ago :lol:

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I'd have no problem about Miles providing the material for an update, saying what has happened since 1995! Maybe even a sketch plan (He's put it on here, I remember) of what changes GoBelow has made ? I'm quite happy to edit that if necessary. The inevitable surface problem, as I discovered walking up there in December, is that the lower mill site is now almost unrecognizable due to tree growth and other "happenings." It would be rather futile to incorporate those changes, I suspect, after all it is largely a history of what was rather than what is now (except as I say, for Miles' bits.).

Keep talking.

Grahami

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I'd be honoured of course to provide material/information on the more recent dealings of Cwmorthin which I'm sure would make quite interesting reading. Especially perhaps some of the fierce ownership disputes! Some of the skulduggery would be impressive even by Victorian standards.

much more of the mine is accessible now than it was then, such as all the upper parts of the lower floors in both veins. There are numerous features of interest to be found in these parts such as a Croesor-style cantilevered bridge and artefacts that would make interesting photos. Now that access is possible it is easier to determine the few small errors in the surveys. There are even photos available now of parts of the upper floors, such that are accessible.

I find the 1901 Oakeley-Cwmorthin back vein link an interesting feature that isn't covered in the book currently, would enjoy seeing more about that :)

Thanks ever so much :smartass:

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Yes, would buy yet another edition if it was fully udated with recent developments/discoveries 🙂

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Yes, so much more has been looked at, and of course photographic devices are much more sophisticated (as are the photographers then back then) perhaps the time has come for a real re-think, and a more substantial update than I was thinking of a few hours ago. After all, some time ago I found the 1860s surveys of Cwmorthin surface - which largely agree with original suppositions :wub::wub: so some of the diagrams can be amended.... oh dear what have I said.... perhaps we could add colour a la Oakeley plans (ahhh! shouldn't have said that either...) not to mention the Oakeley-Cwmorthin back vein work on Oakeley floors 2 and 3 which are relevant... then there are the well-illuminated photographs which now exist (mostly on here, I must say - well done all you lot)

Oh well, back to the Penrhyn business - I'll explain later - if the multi-coloured plan will upload, that is.

Cheers everybody!

Grahami

I'd be honoured of course to provide material/information on the more recent dealings of Cwmorthin which I'm sure would make quite interesting reading. Especially perhaps some of the fierce ownership disputes! Some of the skulduggery would be impressive even by Victorian standards.

much more of the mine is accessible now than it was then, such as all the upper parts of the lower floors in both veins. There are numerous features of interest to be found in these parts such as a Croesor-style cantilevered bridge and artefacts that would make interesting photos. Now that access is possible it is easier to determine the few small errors in the surveys. There are even photos available now of parts of the upper floors, such that are accessible.

I find the 1901 Oakeley-Cwmorthin back vein link an interesting feature that isn't covered in the book currently, would enjoy seeing more about that :)

Thanks ever so much :smartass:

:wub::wub:

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Yes, would buy yet another edition if it was fully udated with recent developments/discoveries :)

I have just ordered a reprint which will be at £16.00 post free if you order in advance by PM with your email address and I can issue invoices when it is ready.

I would suggest to produce an addendum to the existing and using this forum in order it could be downloaded

Mike

Right, let's just see if I can get £50 for the old one on ebay before word gets out. 😮

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