Vanoord
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A new event has been added to the Events page.

Event name: Moel Fferna SRT Trip

Date & time: 28/12/2008 at 11:00

Details: Work off the Christmas Turkey with a trip to Moel Fferna!

Moel Fferna is situated to the west of Llangollen and was worked on seven levels. It is notable for the relatively flat vein and the long chambers which span many levels.

The mine also shows some influence of coal mining techniques, with the presence of a 'cog' roof support, believed unique in the slate industry.

Note: SRT is required for this trip as it involves a descent into a shaft and an ascent out. This is around 40' and is not technically challenging, although the start of the ascent is a little tricky. Equipment required is: a harness, ascenders and a descender.

Event added by: Vanoord

Full event: http://www.aditnow.co.uk/events/?uid=39 

The 'cog':

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The way in:

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Remains of an underground incline winder:

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robnorthwales
16 years ago
Unfortunately, that's me out, as I've no experience with SRT, etc ๐Ÿ˜ข ๐Ÿ˜ข ๐Ÿ˜ข

Ah well, will just have to watch the Great Escape, maybe McQueen will make it over the fence this time ๐Ÿ˜‰
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16 years ago
"robnorthwales" wrote:

Unfortunately, that's me out, as I've no experience with SRT, etc ๐Ÿ˜ข ๐Ÿ˜ข ๐Ÿ˜ข

Ah well, will just have to watch the Great Escape, maybe McQueen will make it over the fence this time ๐Ÿ˜‰



Don't give in that easy Rob! I did my first SRT trip into Moel Fferna at the weekend with a borrowed harness, it was really easy. I'm sure someone could lend you a spare harness or share one on the trip. I've just put a load of bids on Ebay for kit. Dont miss out on this one, I thought it was a really interesting mine ๐Ÿ˜‰
.....Lister;~)
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16 years ago
Neither I or my dad has done SRT before, but I would love to visit Moel Fferna. ๐Ÿ˜‰
Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Lรญows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Moorebooks
16 years ago
In the past we have used a mixture with Abseil in and self lifeline on a ladder that works well and allows less technical bodies to have a go.

Why not do it that way

Mike
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16 years ago
I'm afraid I have to disagree with Mike on this. (Assuming of course that what I call self-lifelining is the same thing as Mike has in mind - i.e. the climber with a single jammer on a stationary rope hanging by the ladder)

Personally, I'm not keen on self-lifelining on ladders for inexperienced persons, particularly on free-hanging pitches. In my experience the usual problem with novices on caving ladders is that the climber does not get their feet vertically under them, puts too much weight on their arms, loses their rhythm and ends up struggling up the ladder a rung at a time, with both hands on the same rung.

if the person is being lifelined, the lifeliner is (or should be) in a position to provide active assistance to the climber. This is even more helpful if the lifeline is attached to the climber in the small of the back, so as to pull them into the ladder. If necessary, additional pull can be improvised at the top of the pitch with a jammer and pulley or crab to give a mechanical advantage when hauling. (I had to do this earlier this year to bring a tired 16st man up a 30' pitch in the Dales - people who know me will be aware I'm a 10st weakling.)

If the climber is self lifelining and they get into difficulties, they are in the same situation as if they had encountered a problem with SRT (with the possibly complicating factor that they may be in an improvised harness or have the jammer attached to a load-bearing waist belt). This means that someone needs to get down to them and then attach a hauling line to them so they can be hauled up the pitch from the top, or else attach to them directly and prussik up with them in tow. Either option will take time to set up, exposes the rescuer to some danger and can transform minor difficulty on a ladder into a major problem.

Dave
Moorebooks
16 years ago

Yes you are right I was not thinking it through - it is easy enough to lifeline and would seem a shame to deprive so many the chance 0of a good trip

Mike
Vanoord
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16 years ago
Just a gentle bump for this trip - and a note that if anyone wishes to brush up on their SRT, there will be a chance towards the end of November - see the thread at this http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=2009 
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Moorebooks
16 years ago

Hey Vanoord -
One session may not be enough to gain the sufficient competance on SRT

why not compromise and ladder it too?

Mike
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16 years ago
"Moorebooks" wrote:


Hey Vanoord -
One session may not be enough to gain the sufficient competance on SRT

why not compromise and ladder it too?

Mike



Indeed! :)

Whilst the aim is to have people who are happy with their own SRT skills, it is intended that we will have a ladder 'just in case'.

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Moorebooks
16 years ago

In which case - the banner needs to be changed??

Mike
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16 years ago
banner?
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16 years ago
I am pretty much 80% going, just curiopus where do people want to meet? this is one of my fav mines and love going with people who havent been.

Matty
Ironing 2 miles deep into a system? you obviously dont understand.
martymarty
16 years ago
meet i would imagine will be at the pub (now derelict) at the bottom of the road on the a5 nice big carpark and long walk for everyone unless your in 4x4s unless otherwise stated by event owner
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towim
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16 years ago
That pub is now derelict!!!!!?????

Would my woosey Rav4 make it? lol.

Matty.
Ironing 2 miles deep into a system? you obviously dont understand.
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16 years ago
I'd imagine that the pub will be it, then decamp into vehicles that can get us to the legal limit for vehicles, which isn't too far away from the mine.

I think I've got a Freelander up that far, so a RAV should cope. Failing that, I reckon Davel can drag you out ๐Ÿ˜‰
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martymarty
16 years ago
dont think your rav4 would make it to the top mate last time you were with us you were in a v8 landy wernt you... bless you can always try if you want im sure someone will tow you up :lol: only joking matty i have to envy your 4x4 as i dont have one you could always get Jagman to drive it, he'll get it up there and in the mine then out again
nid oes bradwr yn y ty hwn
Moorebooks
16 years ago
Banner - no longer calling it an exclusively SRT trip if a ladder is available?

Cheers

Mike
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"Moorebooks" wrote:

Banner - no longer calling it an exclusively SRT trip if a ladder is available?

Cheers

Mike



Ahhhhhh....! :)

It's an SRT trip with a ladder present in case of difficulties, but it would be preferable if it weren't needed!

Basically, it's possible to get out of Moel Fferna with a minimal amount of SRT experience, but the bottom of a 30' hole is not the best place to learn from scratch!
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mountainpenguin
16 years ago
getting up there should be fine in any car but its a good idea to limit the number of cars anyway.
rigging a deviation (sling and crab) off the tree makes life a lot easier as instead of bashing into the sides it becomes a free hang ๐Ÿ™‚.

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