ferret
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18 years ago
I’m just interested what people use for writing up/ drawing surveys of mines etc here, i use survex as a centreline tool, coral x3 and Abobe illustrator for graphics. ::)
Captain Scarlet
18 years ago
Got to admit I am intrigued by this aspect of U/G, but not tried it so far. I did download this free software package for surveying :
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/Walls/index.html 

I have only had a cursory glance at though.



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ferret
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18 years ago
don’t bother with walls its very complex and not very stable. Try servex for centreline http://www.survex.com/download.html  and export to DXF this can then be edited in any of the main graphics programs like illustrator coral draw or the like.
Captain Scarlet
18 years ago
Yes, ferret, got to agree with the "complex" bit. Thanks for the tips & link.
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ferret
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18 years ago
no worrys, good luck with the software and if you need anything else about it let me know! πŸ˜‰
simonrl
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17 years ago
Just re-read this.

Has anybody used one of the new Shetland Attack Ponies?

http://www.shetlandattackpony.co.uk/  http://www.shetlandattackpony.co.uk/ 

Looks interesting, and more to the point, easy to use πŸ˜‰
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carnkie
17 years ago
And what exactly is a loop closure? :stupid:
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Buckhill
17 years ago
Loop closure, some Americanism for what would be described here as a closed traverse. If you start and finish at the same point and take angles at all stations you will (even with the best of instruments and most careful setting and reading) get a closing error. The software should correct this for you. Probably not important for exploration needs but essential when there is a need to know exactly where you are in a working mine.
carnkie
17 years ago
Thanks. :thumbsup:
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davel
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17 years ago
"Buckhill" wrote:

... If you start and finish at the same point and take angles at all stations you will ... get a closing error. The software should correct this for you. ...



My understanding is that the software does not correct the error but (usually) distributes it around the loop in some manner so that the probable error at any station is minimised. Where there are multiple loops, the errors should be distributed over the complete mesh. Ideally, the software should provide some indication of the amount of closure error involved. (Obviously, if there are gross closure errors you may need to resurvey!)

Also, it's perhaps worth mentioning that a loop can include above-ground traverses between entrances.

Dave
Buckhill
17 years ago
Sorry if the use of "correct" has caused confusion, I should more properly have used the term "adjust", although both are used to mean the same thing, a change or alteration.

"Distribution of error" applies to the angular measurements. In any closed traverse the sum of the measured angles equals (2n+4)right angles (for external angles) or (2n-4)right angles (internal angles). There will almost invariably be an error in this sum which is distributed in proportion to each angle.

The "adjustment by least squares" is commonly used in theodolite traverses as the probable errors in angular measurements are much less than the probable errors in distance measurement (unless you are using EDM, in which case the probable errors in distance are greatly reduced in comparison). The software should carry out the distribution of angular error to give the line bearings. It will then calculate the total closing error in latitude and departure of the whole traverse and apply partial "corrections" at each station in proportion to the linear distance between stations, without changing the bearings of the lines, to give the most probable co-ordinate values.

When traversing with dial or compass where the probable error in angular measurement would be greater than that in linear measurement the application of Bowditch's method of adjustment was commonly use. This "adjusts" the station co-ordinates in proportion to the linear distance, but also alters the bearings of the individual lines.

Regarding the "distribution of errors over the whole mesh". The primary closed traverse would be adjusted first, then the corrected co-ordinates of that traverse would be used for any subsidiary traverses begun from it and so on. And yes of course "loops" can be on the surface as you say, and commonly are when correlating to NG.







Gwyn
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17 years ago
Buckhill, please, what are EDM and NG?
Buckhill
17 years ago
EDM = electromagnetic distance measurement
NG = Ordnance Survey National Grid

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