Pinzgauer
11 years ago
Leave the bloody place alone !! Don't interfere. If there's funding floating about, spend it on piano wire and snipers to clear the dirt bike riding noise polluting little shits away. They don't have parents. No one will miss them ! Little tw*ts !! :devil:
Who threw the overalls in Mrs Murphy''s Chowder ??
rufenig
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11 years ago
If they make a better car park for tourists.
Think how much fun the scrotes can have breaking into cars!
sinker
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11 years ago
"Pinzgauer" wrote:



They don't have parents. No one will miss them !



Bit strong.... yes there are a few social issues in Blaenau (as there are in most places these days) but those of us who have family there don't appreciate that kind of comment. Thanks.
Yma O Hyd....
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11 years ago
I think everyone with an interest (walkers, mine explorers, anglers, historians, mountain bikers, dirt bike riders, local authorities etc), in the Cwmorthin area need to sit round a table and have a sensible discussion before any rash decisions are made! As for earlier postings, apparently the most recent thieving scrotes in the town were not Blaenau kids but Bulgarians!! :curse: . Also, I would rather have youngsters riding off road bikes, than breaking into cars!
Pinzgauer
11 years ago
"sinker" wrote:

"Pinzgauer" wrote:



They don't have parents. No one will miss them !



Bit strong.... yes there are a few social issues in Blaenau (as there are in most places these days) but those of us who have family there don't appreciate that kind of comment. Thanks.


A bit strong possibly, but I feel 🅱VERY strongly about this particular subject! It's not got anything to do with "social issues in Blaenau". Blaenau and it's people have a special place in my heart. It's everything to do with a few - and I realise it IS a few little scrotes that don't give a sh*t for anyone or anything, just as long as THEY can have "fun".
Well Sinker, I first came across these idiots in the early 70's when I stayed in Cwmorthin Cottage with the club. The place was as near "undisturbed" as you could wish for then. I had the "joy" of having my Haflinger bust into and stuff stolen by one of these scumbags whilst it was outside Robin's workshop. I am quite willing to believe that the little turd who did that has now spawned something even more undesirable and is now one of today's motorised ball-bags.

When at Cwm last year I saw the mess that they had made whilst "having fun". How anyone can attempt to defend the likes of them is completely beyond me.
Thanks.

Sorry. The BOLD was only supposed to be on one word. Doh!
Who threw the overalls in Mrs Murphy''s Chowder ??
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11 years ago
If you can't frame your responses in a civilised manner without resorting to offensive language I'd rather you didn't bother.
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11 years ago
I'm not sure I understand why a bit of conservation work is considered such a bad thing? :confused:
Can think of plenty of places where its been done sympathetically with long term benefits - ie the whole thing doesn't fall down next time there's a freeze/thaw.
Pinzgauer
11 years ago
"Teigl" wrote:

If you can't frame your responses in a civilised manner without resorting to offensive language I'd rather you didn't bother.


Whatever........
Who threw the overalls in Mrs Murphy''s Chowder ??
royfellows
11 years ago
The car break ins at Blaenau were down to one individual, a Scot!

I have this on good authority.
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exspelio
11 years ago
Looking at the piccis, and considering the amount asked for, put a roof on it and use it for a club hut, TVO generator and water pump, job done!!.
Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.
exspelio
11 years ago
Sorry, just realised TVO ain't so cheap any more, Maybe DERV??
Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.
iestyn999
11 years ago
A little conservation is a good idea. Save what's there but certainly don't try and rebuild anything. Notice boards would really ruin the place. They just wouldn't blend in.
As for people not knowing what the buildings are- I'm sorry, it's a bit bloody obvious!
RJV
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11 years ago
I can't say that I'm convinced that notice boards would ruin the place; what with its farming and quarrying it is a man-made environment after all and not a truly wild place like the top of say, er Snowdon... :oops:

Taking somewhere like Grassington Moor as an example, information boards can be relatively discrete yet still serve a very useful purpose, particularly if care is taken to ensure that the content is accurate.
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11 years ago
"RJV" wrote:

I can't say that I'm convinced that notice boards would ruin the place; what with its farming and quarrying it is a man-made environment after all and not a truly wild place ...


I would disagree with that. There seems to be a desire (by urban-based planners?) to urbanise and sanitise the landscape with information boards, way marks, signposts, paved paths etc.

Cwm Idwal is, to my mind, a terrible example of somewhere that used to be a relatively wild place. It’s been very much tamed by wide flagged footpaths with steps etc. The creation of a visitor centre at Ogwen Cottage and street lamps in the car park there all detract from the wildness of the place, particularly in winter or at night. The paths on Snowdon (not just the summit) are even worse.

I'm not keen on the conservation of buildings. I think the main thing is to record what exists. Conservation, no matter how carefully and sympathetically done, adds new material or makes changes to the existing structure and adds an element of artificiality – like a 'ruin' specially built as a landscape feature to 'improve' the view.

Whilst I don't condone vandalism or demolition of such buildings, I would prefer to see their gentle decay, or even rebuilding and reuse, rather than conserving them in their dilapidated state.

I came across the following (Gwilym R. Tilsley, Extract from ‘Cwm Carnedd’)
Quote:

A gwaith dyn, fel brethyn brau
Yn braenu rhwng y bryniau.


Which I translated as:
Quote:

... and a man’s work, like rotten cloth
Decaying amongst the hills.


It summed up my feelings on this subject perfectly.

Dave
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11 years ago
Following some comments made by me in the course of conversation I've been approached by someone involved with the proposed scheme for a more formal response.

Accordingly, I've produced (and submitted) a document (http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Personal-Album-166/Cwmorthin-comments.pdf) containing selected comments from this topic. (I've omitted some comments I considered peripheral to the specific issue under discussion.)

Authors' names have been removed from the comments and I've done some minor editing to correct spelling mistakes etc.

I think there is a general consensus that the preferred approach would involve minimal intervention, and I think this comes over clearly from the document I've submitted. Whether any notice will be taken of it if the scheme goes ahead is anyone's guess.

Dave
royfellows
11 years ago
I think that consolidation done with minimum visual impact is the way to go every time. What has been done at Cwmystwyth will hopefully halt any further deterioration and make any future rebuilding a lot easier.
The trouble is, as they say in the sales, "once it’s gone, it’s gone"

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ChrisJC
11 years ago
Well done Dave. That is probably the most productive outcome.

Chris.
Tamarmole
11 years ago
"davel" wrote:

Following some comments made by me in the course of conversation I've been approached by someone involved with the proposed scheme for a more formal response.

Accordingly, I've produced (and submitted) a document (http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Personal-Album-166/Cwmorthin-comments.pdf) containing selected comments from this topic. (I've omitted some comments I considered peripheral to the specific issue under discussion.)

Authors' names have been removed from the comments and I've done some minor editing to correct spelling mistakes etc.

I think there is a general consensus that the preferred approach would involve minimal intervention, and I think this comes over clearly from the document I've submitted. Whether any notice will be taken of it if the scheme goes ahead is anyone's guess.

Dave



Proper job
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11 years ago
It's about getting local people - town councils, mining heritage groups and anyone else - on side to support sensible conservation measures. Then you have to work on the big problem - getting the major players e.g. County Councils to move in the right direction. Don't underestimate the way that this is a growing problem: alleged shortages of funding and more importantly increasing 'jobsworth' mentalities amongst local government officers are going to make projects like this more difficult.

Good luck!

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11 years ago


Interesting arial video of the cottages

😉

Ian
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