i watched this programme last week and it made me think
about the environmentalists who seem to think that we can solve all our problems by leaving the car at home and taking a bus
it's about the indian coal fields and the massive fires that have burned there for over 100 years and the poor sod's who have to live there
well worth a watch

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od#2929648 

This place really is Dante's Inferno !

Would even a huge Western company would struggle to put out even a percentage of that, given that it appears entire seams have ignited in their beds?

I assume they just mine around the fires?

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They produce 450,000,000 tons of coal per year yet they still import 20% more , mainly to fuel the Indian steel industry
Most of that will have to be burned in coke ovens to produce coke with no pollution controls, that's apart from the tens of thousands of poor miners who just burn it anywhere they can
What i was amazed at was the size of pieces of coal that the poor people were finding in the spoil heaps and the fact that all that land was forest and farm land before the coal company turned up

Utterly mad.

Good job that the real data (not IPCC modelling hysterical, alarmist rubbish) suggests that Plant Food Gas doesn't affect the earth's temperature.

I don't think people quite grasp the ways in which too many humans are buggering up the planet.

Utterly mad.

Good job that the real data (not IPCC modelling hysterical, alarmist rubbish) suggests that Plant Food Gas doesn't affect the earth's temperature.

I don't think people quite grasp the ways in which too many humans are buggering up the planet.

I second that. And when there are such environmental disasters on this kind of scale we all have to do our bit, even if that does mean just taking the bus occasionally. As our great new Gods, Tesco said: "every little helps"... 🙂

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Ha the IPCC "Hockey Stick"
The black smokers under the ocean's turn out more gas than man ever can.

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You can call me a nutter if you like, I am firmly convinced that the "Inconvenient Truth" was in fact a cover for the attempted mitigation of the impact of peak oil.

Google "Hirsch Report" and have a read.

Following reading it, you will alter your investment portfolio to include a V8 capri, some armour plating, a shotgun and an epic amount of corned beef, as well as some jerrycans.

You will wonder why the hell they are seemingly doing nothing in light of this report. Occam's razor suggests that this is the case since their data is exceedingly bo11ocks.

Sadly, when it snows again this winter, the theory will be even more out the window.

Meanwhile, the environment really does need some protection and some action.... but probably not by some useful idiots.

Personally, I think a very big cull is the solution!

Personally, I think a very big cull is the solution! IP: "Deleted by admin no need for IP's"

And who would you cull ? You ? Your family ?
And how would you do the cull ? Gas chambers ?
Grow up.

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Mmm
Good point Mr Coggy but Stuey does hit the nail on the head.

All of the environmental issues are just basically symtoms, the disease is that there are too many of us, like it or not.

I rather think that is what Stuey was saying, but a poor choice of words.
I also rather think that 'nature' will itself bring about the cull at the end of the day. One way or another, just wait and see.

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Unfortunately the truth, as always, is hard to swallow.
Stuey is right in the sense that we are too many. The rising population need land to live on. The more land that is taken the less land there is for food production; leading to poverty and famine (Anyone ever seen the film Soylent Green?) leading to western gov'ts issuing handouts to 3rd world countries in exchange for a bite at their resources, Remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch!
As resources are exploited so is the population, keep em in working condition with a 'bare-bones' health plan and they will work for very little and produce yet more offspring to work the mines or whatever in the future-oh dear! full circle with the land and food cycle again! wooops!
As soon as resources dry up, so does the foreign aid.
Looking at the figures (Hirsch Report) the world is heading for major upheaval. Such a pity we messed up a completely good planet by not introducing a worldwide agreement on population control.
The planet will survive with or without us.

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The poorer countries have no birth control ,so when the harvest goes "tits up" they look to the rest of the world to feed them
We feed them, and another generation appears who also can't feed themselves, so now you have to feed even more people who once fed start to reproduce yet again and so the cycle goes on
Nature has always controlled populations of all species ,if food is scarce then the weak die off or "only the strong survive ", when food is plentiful the species prospers
but if we keep throwing aid at the problem, the problem will just get worse

still ,it is quite an interesting film regarding the core subject, coal mining !

Yes but lets not forget big business here and the so called global economy driven by the banksters etc. The politicians whilst talking a great talk re the global environment and committing money and resources to it (that we don't actually have), don't tackle the governments and banks exploiting these resources who really don't give a stuff for the global environment. These people only want to exploit their own people at a barebones cost to increase shareholder value and economic wealth.... do we really believe that the people behind Chinese and Indian economic policy and those that invest in it give a flying F@@k re global warming and starving populations? No they don't because they don't need to at home, poverty is slavery... and as has already been said here their care for their overseas workforce ends with the resources contract finishing.... If everyone is so worried re global destruction lets see a tax on the major government banks and corporations and investment funds that take the wealth, destroy the environment and then walk away. But we all know were such a tax would go if levied.... straight into overpriced Green projects with little impact thus recycling the money straight back into the plethora of companies now milking environmental issues.
EDIT... Less poverty, less need for vast numbers of children.... oh but then how will the coal get vworked at a couple of quid a day....

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There is a lot of sense being posted on this thread.

So where will it all end?

Well, I believe that you can lean a lot from the animal kingdom. One of my many hobbies is keeping exotic fish.

If I cram too many koi carp into a pond they become disease ridden and I will loose a good half of them that way.
If I cram too many piranha into a tank or pond I will get a 'night of the long knives' and wake up to find the strongest have eaten the weakest.

I figure that the human race has attributes of both of these species, so take your pick.

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Jeffery Sachs' Reith Lecture series in 2007 entitled 'Bursting at the Seams' is a useful read/listen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2007/lecture1.shtml 

Roy, isn't that already happening economically the world over?.
The corporate big fish are eating the smaller fish in order to secure optimum control over mineral, agricultural resources etc.... even governments are not big enough to stand up to them (like our Chicken Sh*t lot) or are in cahoots with them, hence at the end of the day they personally are always gonna be OK... I mean every socialist prime minister is worth millions and has 2 homes etc.... cough cough!
The end cull will be self inflicted and I genuinely believe that as the West is frozen out of the world resource/energy markets by countries such as China and India (who will need to consume to keep growing) and we have exhausted all our financial reserves there will be massive destabilisation of the West resulting in popular uprisings against the wealthier end of society (Cull stage 1, the really wealthy will have long since gone!) and a resultant war with the East (Cull stage 2)... so there's your cull!
I have seen nothing to convince me that the New World Order (comprised of banksters, wealthy politicians) is anything other than a scam to maintain their own personal wealth and position and screw the people and the planet.... Sad to say they are the Pirhanas and we are the Carp!
If anything threatens the NWO it will be culled to maintain their rule...
The solution is that given the vast so called wealth of the world there needs to be a significant re-distribution of it!! Capitalism has put us here.... the global economy has put us here....... As I said before Poverty is Slavery, Debt is Slavery.... and thats just were the NWO want us... until the slaves realise who has the money!!! Trouble is most people are so dense now they wont realise until after Cull 1 who is responsible.....

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When it comes to CO2 production, I bet that humans produce an awful lot. I expect Stuey could do the maths here but we (humans) are a machine, O2 in and CO2 out. My car produces CO2 when in operates and does not when switched off. However I produce CO2 whether I like it or not. I wonder how much we produce per km walked etc during the day. The more active I am the O2 I consume the more CO2 I produce. The more of us (humans) there are the more CO2 is going to be produced, so not using my car etc is not going to cut the CO2 production especially when the world's pop is going to double anytime soon.

Unfortunately which ever way you wrap it up, cull etc, the human population has to stop growing at the rate it is, something which no one really wants to talk about, we when we are all dead and gone, the fun is really going to start.

I know of a family that if you start with great grandmother and father and including those who married in, there are now 100 from this.

In our office, there was a thought that perhaps some of those who carried out the greatest genocides known, were actually doing their bit for the environment ! (Don't everyone shoot the messenger here please ) :surrender:

However the planet will adapt, and change, it has done so in the past and will do so in the future, perhaps it is us that doesn't like the change. Mass extinctions of species have happened before, perhaps the next will be humans for thinking that we are that clever, when in fact we aren't.

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Maybe when the populations have had enough of the wealthy having it all
the poor will rise again as in the revolutions of old and the poor will attempt to cull the rich and in return millions of the poor will perish just as in the other world wars and conflicts throughout history

lets hope we start with a cull of the unelected bureaucrats of the money pit known as the european union

Re Agricola, The world and sea can handle the CO2. What you should be woried about is the Methane gas which is produced. Cows get rid of loads a day.
Where is this global warming? In the 1950s we used to have very hot summers and snow on the ground for weeks in winter. It is the hot spots on the Sun which causes the hot periods. The Geologists will tell you we are heading to cold period.
Too many people are making alot of money out of this Global Warming!. Look at all the wind mills which are going up ruining the country side. They do not work in the very cold periods when the wind drops and this is when we require the electric. The Government paid out over £600000 for people to shut down the wind mills for one night as it was overloading the network. They get it both ways.

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More intelligent comment on a serious issue, maybe aditnow should be running the world!

One point, greatest producer of methane gas is in fact................ rain forests.
Something to ponder on, and this is fact not something I have just made up.

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Methane has no long-term stability in the atmosphere.