ferret
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18 years ago
ok guys, heres a chance for all those that know there mines to show there knowledge, I’m currently working on my dissertation researching the history and environmental impacts of silver mining in the UK and particularly the south west in relation to organic transfer and site remediation.
Anyone who has any info on silver mines in genral or the working and treatment of silver from ores etc would be very useful, cheers guys!
Ferret
Captain Scarlet
18 years ago
i may be wrong here, but was not most of the silver produced in the UK a by-product of lead smelting ?
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18 years ago
"Nimrod" wrote:

i may be wrong here, but was not most of the silver produced in the UK a by-product of lead smelting ?



As I understand it yes, silver mining on it own has never been particularly economically viable
sparty_lea
18 years ago
Alva is the only proper 'silver' mine I can think of, an 18th century mine in Silver Glen, Ochil. In the North Pennines silver was extracted from galena if there was a high enough concentration to make it worth the effort.
I've got info on the Pattinson process somewhere if that's any help but nothing on environmental consequences.
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Captain Scarlet
18 years ago
The initial post on this thread pre-supposedc that a silver mining industry actually existed. The replies so far seem to question this. Over to you Ferret ....
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Barney
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18 years ago
Although not linked to silver mining, i have a document in my posession that details the impact that mining in the Dolgellau gold belt has on the environment. Not quite what your asking Ferret, but if its of any use, i will post you a copy.
Captain Scarlet
18 years ago
"sparty_lea" wrote:

Alva is the only proper 'silver' mine I can think of, an 18th century mine in Silver Glen, Ochil.



From http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/arb/scotland/mines_biblio.html 

Alva Silver Mine, NS 88 97 Landranger 58 Silver Glen, Alva [NE of Stirling], Clackmannanshire

First worked in 1715, the Alva Silver Mine is the richest deposit of native silver ever found in Great Britain. Native silver occurs as dendritic crystal aggregates to several cm, associated with clinsafflorite and rammelsbergite in a dolomite-baryte-calcite gangue. Moreton, S 1996 The Alva Silver Mine, Silver Glen, Alva, Scotland. Mineralogical Record 27 (6) 405-414

Palmer, William T, 1947 The Verge of the Scottish Highlands. Robert Hale Ltd, London 148-149 “Ochil Silver. The silver yield of the Alva mines two centuries ago was startling. The Silver Glen between Middle and Wood hills made £4,000 a week for Sir John Erskine. The Government’s attention was drawn to the valuable veins of ore, two of which were particularly rich and produced in a few week 134 ounces of the richest silver, as assayed and tested by no less a personage than Sir Isaac Newton, then Master of the Mint. In 1715 Sir John entered a perilous adventure to bring back the Stuarts. He left his wife in charge of the mines and of forty tons of silver ore buried in the grounds of Alva House. The rising failed and Sir John was outlawed. To buy back the Government’s favour he sent information about his silver ore, and in the winter of 1716-7, a Mint expert reported that:

“I found it (the ore) of an extraordinary nature, such as to my knowledge few or none like have ever seen in Europe. It consists of sulphur, arsenic, iron, some lead and good silver. Of all these the silver is only to be regarded, for the other minerals and metals contained in the ore are of little value, and not worth the charge to separate and keep them”.


“The treasure-trove is said to have produced £40,000 to £50,000, but Sir John did not prosper, the output diminished, and the mines soon came to an end.”

Anon 1963 Alva Silver Mines. Alloa Advertiser 5 April 1963 8. Source Brown 1980


Anon ND Alva Silva Mines. Northern Notes & Queries or The Scottish Antiquary 1 (4) 53-55


Dickie, D M, and Forster, C W, Editors, assisted by Mrs E Lumsden, J Ritchie, A Roy and R Woodburn. 2nd ed 1974; reprint 1986 Mines and Minerals of the Ochils. Clackmannanshire Field Studies Society. 43, maps, illus. Airthrey Silver Mine, Alva Silver Mines, John Erskine’s Mine, Carnaughton Glen Mines, Blairlogies Mines, Burn of Sorrow Mine, Tillicoultry Mines, Daiglen Mine, Balquharn Mines, Jerah Mines, Myreton Calcite Workings.


Edie, William L, 1924 Precious metals of Scotland, prospecting and where found. Kirkcaldy. Fifeshire Advertiser 39. Brief mention of Alva silver 14-16. Source Brown 1980

Francis, E H et al 1970 The Geology of the Stirling District. Memoirs of the Geological Survey of Scotland. Chapter XIX Economic Geology 292-307. Detailed description of 24 mines with NGRs


Green and Todd 11


Harrison, John G, 2003 Heavy Metal Mines in the Ochils: Chronology and Context. Forth Naturalist and Historian 26 105-118. Bridge of Allan, Allan Water NS 787 983, Airthey Hill Mine NS 8152 9720, Aiirthrey Silver Mine NS 8152 9720, Blairlogie Trials, Jerah Mine NS 8323 9949 & NS 8300 9982, Balquharn Burn Trials NS 8653 9782 the site of Earl of Stirling’s mines c 1607, also worked in mid 18th century. Carnaughton Glen Silver Mine NS 8781 9754, Alva Silver mine, Tillicoultry NS 9234 9812, Kirk NS 9124 9780 and Daiglen Burns NS 9106 9834, Dollar Burn NN 9455 0021, Pendreich NS 8065 9922, Western bank of Allan Water NS 787 983. All Landranger 57


Jeffreys, Alan L 2007 The Alva Silver Mines. Ser 4 GSG 3 (2) 18-25, 8 B&W photos, 2 colour photos opp 26, location map, surveys. The definitive work on the currently accessible workings.

M&M (10) IV

Mackay, K J H 1978 Limestone working/a forgotten Stirlingshire Indistry. Forth Naturalisy and Historian 2 80-105, 10 figs, 8 plates. Some underground workings are still open.


Moreton, S 1996 The Alva Silver Mine, Silver Glen, Alva, Scotland. Mineralogical Record 27 (6) 405-414

Palmer, William T 1947 The Verge of the Scottish Highlands. Robert Hale Ltd, London 148-149 “Ochil Silver.

Proctor, John and Bacon, Margaret E 1979 The plants and soils of two mineral workings in the Ochil Hills. Forth Naturalist and Historian 3 71-77, 2 figs.

Scott, Douglas M, May 1997 Mining in the Ochils. Scots Mag 146 (5) 488-492 Alva Silver Mine, Bridge of Allan, Airthrey Silver Mine, Blairlogie Copper Mines, Burn of Sorrow Mine, Mill Glen Trial, Daiglen Mine, Kirk Glen Trial, Balquharn Mine, Carnaughton Silver Mine.
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Manicminer
18 years ago
Exept the location above ^ silver as a rule is hard to find as a native metal in this Country unlike say America where you will find veins of solid metal feet in width. Usually it's mixed in with galena, zink, copper, etc as a non-metal and has to be seperated/ parted from the other metal ores. A lot of silver was recovered from Mid-Wales. 800,000 oz was raised from the Van Mine near Llanidloes.
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ferret
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18 years ago
Sorry, maybe I wasn't so clear about the research I'm doing. Lead/silver sulphides like galena and zinc/silver sulphides like shalerite are very common in the south west and elsewhere. They were extensively mined in the Teign and Tamar Valleys, particularly in the Bere Alston area, and elsewhere in the United Kingdom.
Silver in this form IS a by-product of the lead/zinc industry, but was commercially viable, although in small quantities. My research is mainly centred around the eco-toxicology, bio-degradation and hydro-interaction with other sulphides, metal solids and other environmental factors through the whole biosphere and the local and wider environment.
I am mainly dealing with soil chemistry, soil-water interaction, and bio-remediation of sites used for smelting, processing and other work involving silver.
What I was really hoping for was books, academic research papers/articles and historical backgrounds particularly in the South West of lead/zinc/silver mines, the post processing and environmental factors associated with these, even if long abandoned, and current or historical research on any of these topics.
Also any first hand experience of works within silver/lead/zinc mines anywhere in the world.
Wyn
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18 years ago
The Van (y Fan) was subject to a large remediation project due to it's impact on the Afon Cerist a tributary of the Severn. Various reports were written for the then Montgomeryshire District Council (now Powys County Council) and the then NRA (now Environment Agency) for still routinely monitor the Cerist and Severn. So why not approach the EA etc for info (al monitoring data is usually in the public domain). In fact there was a project started by the NRA and carried over to the EA (Wales) looking at the impact of the abandoned metal mines of Wales.

Just a thought, I suppose you've seen the Royal Society of Chemistry book "Mining and it's Environmental Impact" edited by R E Hester.
ferret
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18 years ago
thanks that is useful :thumbsup:
what i really need however is some info more specific to silver sulphide complexes and there impact on the environment where liberated from substrate.
Wyn
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18 years ago
Hi Ferret,
I don't know if this is old news, but I saw this ref

Silver concentrations in Welsh soils and their dispersal from derelict mine sites
Journal Environmental Geochemistry and Health
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0269-4042 (Print) 1573-2983 (Online)
Issue Volume 5, Number 4 / December, 1983
DOI 10.1007/BF02093333
Pages 122-127


ferret
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18 years ago
now thats usefull :smartass:
ferret
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18 years ago
Just an update for anyone who is interested,
I now have most of the background i need (though anything else is always welcome)
my line of research has now gone more in the direction of toxicology and how silver effects different organisms/environments and there interactions up the food chain, so any biologists, biochemists or others who might have leads on that too would help !
The outcome of all my research will all go up on line when its dun so you’ll be able to see the fruits of your help then 😮
cheers for now
Ferret.
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18 years ago
I assume you have put your athens password to good use and come up with a few good papers.
Generally need plenty of references.
I generally use same sites for my MSc coursework such as Elsevier, IMWA, Blackwell etc.
Chemistry isn't my thing but I plan to do a model on potential mine water pollution from south Notts coalfield for my dissertation

Good luck in writing it
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