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This is a copy of Phils post on ME and describes a little background of Hubberdale and why we intend to start work on this project again

The project to clear the sough was not originally my project but I was involved and have been keen to restart the project for some time now.

I have attached an annotated Google Earth image to illustrate what I am describing.

Hubberdale has been of interest to many people for many years due to the number of veins and mines crossed by the sough and, of course, the supposed existence of the large caverns on the Hubberdale Pipe vein. (‘300 yards wide and as high as Tideswell Church’).

Previous investigations have failed to find a way into either the pipe or the upper reaches of the sough as all supposed connections now lie under water – not far under water but under water never-the-less.

Our approach was to try and find our way back up the sough in the hope that we would enable the mine to drain back to sough level and provide access. This was never imagined to be easy or quick but, we thought, worth a go.

The situation as we started was as follows:

Only 1 of the shafts shown on the aerial photo was open – Shaft 7 (or 40’ shaft). The Sough Tail was also buried at that time.

Descending the shaft lead to the sough which was dry and partially full with silt. Crawling upstream for about 150’ led to a point where the water was met, sinking into a fissure in the wall. From here on the water could be followed as, at times, a flat out crawl, before eventually enlarging to walking size. About 800’ in a shaft from above entered (Shaft 8 – or ‘dead sheep shaft) and after about a 1000’ a blockage is reached where the water flows out of a pile of rock in a small rift chamber.

Dead sheep shaft could be climbed upwards up two legs of around 90’ to a blockage.

It was hoped that the blockage could be removed and that the water flow would assist in removing the silt backed up behind to allow access to the next section of the sough. It was decided that better access would be needed to undertake the engineering required to tackle the blockage. This would be subject to a two pronged attack:

1) The sough would be opened to the tail to allow the washing out of the silt that was restricting the passage, making access easier and also assisting the removal of any silt released after clearing the blockage.
2) Dead sheep shaft would be opened up from the surface to allow more direct access to the dig site.

Permission was sought from the land owner and the project commenced. In total the sough tail and 6 shafts were re-opened. Some of these were lined with concrete or steel pipe and some left with the original ginging. In addition a 100’ length of the cut and cover sough tail was found to be collapsed and was replaced with 4’ internal diameter concrete pipe. The Landowner and his son where invaluable at this time and provided loads of assistance both practical and finacial. They purchased all the concrete and steel gas pipe we used and also an old JCB backhoe and an old front loading shovel that were used to excavate the shafts and cut and cover and handle the materials used.

The sough was eventually cleared to the tail and, during a dry spell when the sough was not flowing a pipe was concreted into the fissure in the sough wall and a removable bung fitted to re-divert the water out of the end.

The procedure worked and the sough now flows in winter and has removed a considerable amount of silt. However a few collapses have occurred near the tail and these need clearing as they are backing up water and causing re-silting.

Dead sheep shaft was also attacked and was sunk nearly 90’ through infil to a rift filled with deads, where we lost the way. Shortly after the bottom of the shaft collapsed whilst we were having our lunch on the surface and the dig was abandoned at that time. During the dig galvanised air pipe was installed down the side of the shaft to act as a bucket guide and to provide forced ventilation as the bucket was wound up and down. The buckets were ‘wound’ by virtue of a rope tied to the back of the landowners car, which he drove backwards and forwards across the field for days at a time.

Myself and SteveT visited last night and checked out the situation with all the shafts and I’ll post a description of them all and the required work later and Steve will, no-doubt, post some piccies.

I would say that although the works to the main blockage need to be attacked in dry weather we need to do the repair works at the tail in winter to ensure enough water flow to clear built up silt.

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There follows a few photo's from last night's trip to show what it is like in the sough. Not great photo's, just snapped on a compact.

This first shot is the easiest point of entry, shaft 6, and this is where the farmer installed a steel gas pipe and iron ladder.

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The iron ladder is rotting away somewhat on its lower rungs

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Heading upstream towards the blockage the floor is silted up somewhat and could do with lowering at this point.

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Just a few yards further and the roof should open out. It is here and below the short shafts where the floor needs clearing to increase the water flow and hopefully scour out some more silt over the winter ready for an intense summer project digging further up the sough at Dead sheep shaft.

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Heading for a look downstream we come to the concrete pipes bought by and installed by the farmer.
You can also see the walling also done by the farmer. (What a guy! If only all farmers were like this!)

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We exit this shaft, back up the ladder and gas pipe

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quick look down a short shaft nearer the Sough Tail

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Anyone who wishes to join us with this project please go and sign up here http://leadmines.conforums.com/index.cgi 



Nick_OReilly
11 years ago
Hi Steve, do you know if there have been any updates on the Hubberdale (Whale) sough dig project since your post of 2009?
Cheers
Nick
mistericeman
11 years ago
Blimey ...Reading this post I think I know the chap in the orange overalls ....

In fact I think I've just bought his Ex military series Land rover ...

Small world ...I knew he was heavily involved in the Mines of Derbyshire BUT not that he posted on here .
AR
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11 years ago
That's Phil Gregson in the orange overalls, unfortunately neither he nor Steve are now actively exploring mines to the best of my knowledge. Hubberdale is still very much on my personal to-do list but other things keep getting in the way, which is annoying given I'm sat typing this almost within spitting distance of the mine....
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mistericeman
11 years ago
I'll give Phil a nudge when i see him soon .

As an aside I'm sure I have had a mooch down that mine looking at the pictures ...
IS it near to the Roman road ??? In the bottom of a smallish valley
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11 years ago
The stuff in this post is at the sough tail in Deepdale, between the Flagg-Sheldon road (not Roman BTW, even though it is very straight - the Roman Road is the A515) and the A6 at Dimmins Dale. The access shaft is very obvious, being a steel pipe on top of an obvious hillock, with the even larger hillock of the sough drawing shaft behind, while the sough tail is a bit further down the dale.
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LeeW
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11 years ago
Surface photo of the shaft photos are under Whale Sough, I added a few I had missed out; one of the drawing shaft on the sough, and one down the main shaft on top of the hillside:
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/album/Whale-Sough-Tunnel-User-Album/ 



I also took some earlier photos from 2007, posted on ME (I've lost the originals):
http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/mines/Whale-sough_1555/Whale-sough.asp 


Note that the Wheatcroft Map shaft numbers do not appear to match the current shaft numbers
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mistericeman
11 years ago
"AR" wrote:

The stuff in this post is at the sough tail in Deepdale, between the Flagg-Sheldon road (not Roman BTW, even though it is very straight - the Roman Road is the A515) and the A6 at Dimmins Dale. The access shaft is very obvious, being a steel pipe on top of an obvious hillock, with the even larger hillock of the sough drawing shaft behind, while the sough tail is a bit further down the dale.



Pretty sure IT is the same one ...IF you head back out to the unsurfaced road (Green lane if you are in one of our Landrovers)and turn right up the hill ...The old Roman road road from What is now Buxton to Littlechester in Derbyshire.

And where it crosses the green lane this marker stone is in the boundary wall .
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_blakeman/6340747175/ 
exspelio
11 years ago
Hmm, isn't this within the catchment for Magpie Sough / Lathkill Head? 😮 😢 :oops: ;

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=15999.msg208656;topicseen#new 
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AR
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11 years ago
Nope, that stone isn't round this neck of the woods so I'm not quite sure what mine you're referring to, somewhere Peak Forest way?
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mistericeman
11 years ago
I'm possibly confusing that mine with another that has a section of RCP then... Suppose they all start to look the same after a while lol.
This is location of Roman Road and plaque in the wall
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3759761 
... I'd be interested to know which mine I'm getting confused with though.

AR
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11 years ago
I'm now really unsure what you've come across - that's round the back of Long Rake/Arbor Low mines on Long Rake and there are other odd sleepered shafts in that neck of the woods but no soughs?
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