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Whilst rummaging through the internet for Welsh slate photographs, I found this one at:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dc/18/87/dc1887a799f7dba4f9310b5edb795d23.jpg 

I can't identify the location. Any ideas?

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8 years ago
if I had to guess then I would say its the original Ffestiniog Railway station in Blaenau?


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8 years ago
"sinker" wrote:

if I had to guess then I would say its the original Ffestiniog Railway station in Blaenau?



I would agree with that.
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JohnnearCfon
8 years ago
Yes, most definitely the LNWR/LMS yard in Blaenau Ffestiniog.
JohnnearCfon
8 years ago
I like the small very ornate building on the left of the photograph.
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8 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

Yes, most definitely the LNWR/LMS yard in Blaenau Ffestiniog.



WHS. No doubt.

Tell you what though - what a hugely inefficient means of transport. Those smaller wagons were carefully loaded not a mile away, now they are being trans-shipped, slate by slate, into SG wagons. No doubt then into boats, one by one, in some port then probably back into wagons off the ship. What a huge use of labour! Must have been cheap, else the ISO container would maybe have arrived a bit quicker
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JohnnearCfon
8 years ago
Yes Miles, but it was the same for most goods movements in those days. You only have to look at some of the British Transport Films from the 1950s to see that. It was another world then.
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8 years ago
Indeed the LNWR / LMS yard in Blaenau.

It was a different World then and some other changes not that long ago as I witnessed in the change of handling goods at sea – I joined the Welsh Navy (Blue Funnel Line) as an Engineer in the mid-60’s. It was all break bulk then – hoards of dockers stowing packages, crates and bags by hand into the ships’ holds. In 1964/5, Blu Flu spent £Ms rebuilding their base in Vittoria Dock, Birkenhead – new warehouses, wider quay with rail access and high speed cranes. Also, proper welfare facilities for the dockers and lorry drivers delivering goods.

By 1969, Blu Flu had formed a consortium with P&O and British & Commonwealth Group - Overseas Containers Ltd (OCL) and introduced 5 medium sized container ships on the Aussie run. These displaced the older ships, many of which were scrapped. By 1973, 5 Panamax sized ‘Liverpool Bay class’ containerships – then the largest in the World had come into service on the Far East run. In a year each could do the work of 7 of the old break bulk ships. When I joined Blu Flu, there were 73 ships in the fleet. By 1974, it was down to <20 and these were newer multi-purpose ships too big for Birkenhead. Thus in 10 years, all the money that had been spent on the new break bulk terminal was of no use, the berths stood empty, all the dockers, ships crews and support services redundant. I was lucky and transferred across to the Bay Boats cos I was a steam specialist and they were twin screw, steam turbine driven ships with 80,000 horses down the shafts to give in excess of 31kts flat out – wonderful ships for engineers… But, they required new ports to handle them and their cargoes of boxes. Instead of a week or two in port to load/unload perhaps 5000 T of goods, it could be done in a day with perhaps 3 or 4 container cranes, a few straddle carriers and a few support personnel…

Most of our old ports have closed down with some converted to flashy housing or shopping malls. Allied to this, our shipbuilding industry has gone and our coal and steel industries decimated…

To get back on track, if there are any orders for export slates these days, a box can be delivered to the quarry, loaded by a few people, the box then collected by one lorry driver and delivered to the dock. It will be loaded onto the ship by 2 people - the straddle carrier driver and loaded onto the ship by the crane driver. Across the seas and the reverse, delivered with negligible breakage to the building site.
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8 years ago
"TheBogieman" wrote:



Across the seas and the reverse, delivered with negligible breakage to the building site.



Yes and the sodding Spanish SAMACA slate is still cheaper to buy in this country. I can go to a merchant in Llandygai and buy Spanish slate cheaper than Welsh slate, 3 miles down the road from one of the biggest slate quarries in the world. The fact that it is $h1t3 quality counts for nothing.

When W**k** J**e* is putting the roof on a brand new "executive style" house, in the very town where the sodding quarry is situated, the fact that the slate will rot, spall and blow off in 50 years doesn't matter.

New, imported Spanish slate is even cheaper to buy than 200 year old reclaimed Welsh slate, FFS!

Ahem....rant over.... ::) :flowers:


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8 years ago
"sinker" wrote:

"TheBogieman" wrote:



Across the seas and the reverse, delivered with negligible breakage to the building site.



Yes and the sodding Spanish SAMACA slate is still cheaper to buy in this country. I can go to a merchant in Llandygai and buy Spanish slate cheaper than Welsh slate, 3 miles down the road from one of the biggest slate quarries in the world. The fact that it is $h1t3 quality counts for nothing.

When W**k** J**e* is putting the roof on a brand new "executive style" house, in the very town where the sodding quarry is situated, the fact that the slate will rot, spall and blow off in 50 years doesn't matter.

New, imported Spanish slate is even cheaper to buy than 200 year old reclaimed Welsh slate, FFS!

Ahem....rant over.... ::) :flowers:



Now we have successfully trashed the value of the pound we won't be able to afford anything from abroad - it might lead to a resurgence in domestic slate production?
TheBogieman
8 years ago
Ah, that was a response I inadvertantly brought to the fore. Hopefully Rick's response might be what ACTUALLY happens with the value of the £ having dropped off cliff face.

It is absolutely crazy that the price of inferior Spanish and Chinese slate is so much cheaper than our own quality product. I think Joe Public needs educating about the quality issues but to developers wanting to make a fast buck...
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