hymac580c
16 years ago
I rely on road haulage to earn my living, but I very much like trains old and new. Road haulage has its place in transporting goods as well as the rail service. But I think for large bulk loads the train leads the way by a long way.
As for the ffestiniog to Trawsfynydd railway. The track is in a bad way now with the sleepers rotting and trees growing all over.
I cannot see that track re opening again as a train service because there is plenty of tourist trains allready in the area, and I think it would be just a saturation of tourist trains. But it would make a good cycle track especially if made all the way to Bala.
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tiger99
16 years ago
I think that worse than that has been reopened. It could for instance be narrow gauge, an extension of the Ffestiniog, which would make it much cheaper. A cycle track alongside should be possible too, and definitely a good thing.

Since the Welsh government, like the Scottish one, is open-minded about rail schemes, maybe some locals might be able to persuade them to ensure that the trackbed is preserved for posterity, as an initial step, just so that no-one builds a housing estate on it.

The economics of reopening will not be good, yet, but it is important that with decreasing availability of oil, we do retain the capability to reopen railways when needed.

Alan
Vanoord
16 years ago
"tiger99" wrote:

I think that worse than that has been reopened. It could for instance be narrow gauge, an extension of the Ffestiniog, which would make it much cheaper. A cycle track alongside should be possible too, and definitely a good thing.

Since the Welsh government, like the Scottish one, is open-minded about rail schemes, maybe some locals might be able to persuade them to ensure that the trackbed is preserved for posterity, as an initial step, just so that no-one builds a housing estate on it.



Now there's an interesting proposition!

Given the condition of the trackbed south of Ffestiniog, it surely wouldn't be that difficult a task, other than removing the standard gauge track.

The other big advantage is that the Ffestiniog/WHR currently have a large amount of experience at building railways and with the WHR project virtually completed, they'll be looking for something new to do at weekends!

Will there be some requirement for material import/export for the decommissioning of the power station - is there waste fuel still on site that would have to be removed using the container flasks?

I guess the alternative would be to preserve the line from Blaenau to Traws as a standard guage railway, but I can't see it being economically viable: it would be one thing for the Ffestiniog to offer an hour's trip south using their existing marketing etc. and another one altogether to try and market a stand-alone attraction in Blaenau.
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tiger99
16 years ago
The used fuel rods have all now been removed from the reactors. That only takes a couple of years, or less. However, these were Magnox reactors, so have large amounts of graphite in the core, some of which will have been transformed into carbon 14, which is radioactive.

I don't know how they deal with that. They use robots for the decommissioning work, so maybe they extract the individual graphite blocks and take them away. C14 is a beta emitter, a simple metal box will contain the radiation. But if the reactor has ever had a ruptured fuel element, there will be lots of very nasty fission products in the graphite.

The pressure vessel will also be radioactive, and will be cut up into pieces and removed.

It does make sense to use rail for all of that, as it is safer than road.

Unfortunately I work on reactor control systems, not decommissioning, so I don't have detailed knowledge of what they do with all the waste. But what is sad is that only about 2% of the uranium fuel is actually used up, the rest is presently stored, at vast expense, when it could be reprocessed, and fed back into other designs of reactor which would consume many of the troublesome fission products. I hope that the new build of reactors which is coming soon will address this issue properly.

I wonder what the locals would feel about Trawsfynydd being the site of one of the new power stations? It probably won't be, as it is not owned by British Energy (or is that French Energy now?), my guess is Hartlepool, Sizewell, Hinkley Point and Dungeness will be the four new sites. But the locals near Chapelcross want a new power station, and the Scottish Parliament will not let them have one.

But I wonder why Trawsfynydd was chosen in the first place, as all the other sites are on the coast.

Alan
Vanoord
16 years ago
"tiger99" wrote:

But I wonder why Trawsfynydd was chosen in the first place, as all the other sites are on the coast.



I'd suspect it was as a reaction to the unemployment created by the massive decline of the slate industry?

Oddly, I know the person who undertook the economic impact analysis study for the power station - and also, as happens for Tryweryn.
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