Untangling the ethics of the way public funds are spent is a tricky subject at the best of times, for instance why do we subsidise things like performing arts when we still have child poverty and homelessness? I suspect it wouldn't take long to come up with a storm of opinions on that alone.

I think everyone is just trying to get through this tangle as best they can - it's good to know the options. There are a few things perhaps more deserving of your outrage, perhaps certain airlines applying for hundreds of millions in unconditional aid whilst still paying out hundreds of millions in dividends to shareholders .

The fact is that this scheme is available and clubs and societies are apparently listed amongst the potential beneficiaries. I'm guessing £10k is an arbitrary figure arrived at to avoid the bureaucracy of means testing or organisations applying for specific amounts in order to deliver help quickly.

As I said before, maybe apply if you feel your club needs it, don’t bother if you feel you don’t. If you feel you only need part of it I believe there are options to give the remainder back to the treasury.

Clubs are specifically listed on the eligability list that has been published, as are hostels. This isn't a loophole it is a legitimate grant. The list is very long and has been aimed at all sorts of businesses and organisations that are struggling due to the government taking away their income source, whilst leaving them with

This ^^^^

Plus I may well have overestimated the number of huts. It may only be 5 or 10. Whatever it is a very small drop in the ocean

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I bet most of the sheeple just think "I clapped for the NHS so I've done my bit" and conveniently forgetc by the next election.

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They ****ed up big time!! From the very beginning.

Oh! and do you really think BJ had the virus?

They ****ed up big time!! From the very beginning.

Oh! and do you really think BJ had the virus?

Suppose you blame 5G too?

Do you really want to know what Cygnus 2016 said?

Its said 750,000 dead and jack all could be done to prevent it.
That's all. The CMO and the cabinet are following exactly what Cygnus 2016 told them they would need to.

Ventilators, two thirds who go on a ventilator die, ventilators are not a sound option
PPE, NHS supply chain screwed that up, not the cabinet. Won't find anybody tweeting that, other than the CDS who said NHS supply chain were abysmal.
I deal with NHS supply chain every day and they are a bunch of rank amateurs.

There is currently no cure or vaccine to prevent Covid-19

The Chinese lied, the WHO lied
The UK government didn't quite lie, they just didn't want to tell the public that nature wins this round and mankind cannot prevent it. The Swedes know what Cygnus 2016 said and they didn't bother with a full lock down. Its of questionable value.
80% of the UK population will get it. Herd immunity is still the only viable solution.

Go look at the facts for yourself, or believe what you read on facebook. Your choice.....

The Wuhan Institute of Virology ****ed up when poor working practices allowed Coronavirus out on an unsuspecting world
The WHO were complicit in hiding the severity of it.

I'm sorry I started this now. I didn't realise how much hate there was in the mine and cave community.

People are emotional Les
How emotional they are is dictated by how bad their personal circumstances are right now.

In my place of work 2/3rds of the workforce have been sent home.
Many of them probably won't have a job to come back too.

I would imagine thats broadly representative of everyones experience on here.
A lot of companies are going down the pan rapidly. The furlough scheme helps in the short term but it isn't going to keep jobs open through until recovery.

Personally I've spent the last month at work shitting on people who have no guilt in this game.
I've sliced a hundred grand a month out of costs and the real price of that is people struggling to pay the rent and those who are still working are earning less.

There is a lot of financial pain out there, lots of people are feeling it.

I've just got one day's work doing rope-access work tomorrow - so at least the company that hired me haven't gone bust yet. Ironically it's at a hospital, but outside, and sounds like an emergency repair if it's on Sunday, but hopefully I'll get more info on the general state of things. But it'll be the first time on a rope of any sort in six weeks.

I hear a fair bit of complaining here - are we saying that the lockdown should be abandoned?

Chris.

I hear a fair bit of complaining here - are we saying that the lockdown should be abandoned?

Chris.

Speaking as somebody in the at risk category, yes.

I am of the belief that it has served its intended purpose of slowing the infection rate but it cannot prevent widespread infection in the long run.
It would also appear that widespread infection is impossible to avoid anyway.

I also believe that the economic hardship that will be felt by millions of people may be just as harmful to the country as the deaths caused by Coronavirus.
I am not convinced lockdown will prevent that many deaths anyway. It ill probably only spread the deaths over a longer period.

Nature has already won this round, ably assisted by the Chinese being utterly inept at biosecurity

Speaking personally, I really think this thread has gone way beyond the limits and has descended into essentially a political row. Everyone is, of course entitled to their opinions, but in this matter, like only a few short years ago over Brexit (remember that?) I do not think this is the right forum to argue about it.
Moderators, please lock this thread so that all those involved can cool down

Graham I

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Speaking personally, I really think this thread has gone way beyond the limits and has descended into essentially a political row. Everyone is, of course entitled to their opinions, but in this matter, like only a few short years ago over Brexit (remember that?) I do not think this is the right forum to argue about it.
Moderators, please lock this thread so that all those involved can cool down

Graham I

I agree you Graham

Mike

They ****ed up big time!! From the very beginning.

Oh! and do you really think BJ had the virus?

Please John; this is not the time to be politicising things and who cares whether he had it or not (although he obviously did) as "we are where we are" and we need to move forward....and back "on topic" :flowers:

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