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7 years ago
"royfellows" wrote:

Worth a look.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/deep_sea_mining 



I remember reading about all this when I was a kid in the late 70s. Amazing.
And, as if to demonstrate the Inter-connectedness Of All Things I also at the same time read one of Clive James' TV criticism books, an extract of which is on his web site, here:

http://www.clivejames.com/manganese 

In the same piece, he reviewed a TV documentary which I had just watched on pot-holing and Alum Pot in particular.
So in one fell swoop I immediately became interested in conspiracy theories and underground exploration!

Couple this with UFO-spotting, running a pirate radio station from my bedroom (something which my children carried on in recent years), an obsession with explosives and a 30' scaffold tower in the garden to "attract lightning"..... I was an odd child.... :lol:



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legendrider
7 years ago
I'm guessing your 1970's literary source may have been "The How-And-Why Wonder Book of Oceans"? I remember a hypothetical nodule-suction device being described and illustrated.

As for deep-sea vents, a big chunk of me hopes for the discovery of a living Trilobite descendant!

MARK
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Morlock
7 years ago
IIRC, Manganese nodules and other treasures were mentioned by Argentina during the Falklands conflict?
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7 years ago
"legendrider" wrote:



I remember a hypothetical nodule-suction device being described and illustrated.



Did it look suspiciously like the Glomar Explorer???!! 😉
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Morlock
7 years ago
The whole story was on Freesat not long ago, PBS America or similar channel.
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7 years ago
I have a student writing his dissertation on this stuff! The mining, that is, I don't think he'll include any cold war espionage. Although he could I suppose, it sounds watery enough to fall within Ocean Sciences!
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7 years ago
On the reality front, the company I work for is involved in deep water mining research projects.
http://www.bluemining.eu/ 
http://www.blue-nodules.eu/ 

Whether it will actually happen at full depth is another story of course, pumping slurry up 5km is going to cost a fair whack.

The harvesting machinery is very similar to equipment we already do for burying deep water pipes and cables so relatively easy...
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7 years ago
"sinker" wrote:

"legendrider" wrote:



I remember a hypothetical nodule-suction device being described and illustrated.



Did it look suspiciously like the Glomar Explorer???!! ;)



Only insofaras it had a derrick, moon pool and a VERY long schnozzle! 😉
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"legendrider" wrote:



Did it look suspiciously like the Glomar Explorer???!! ;)



Only insofaras it had a derrick, moon pool and a VERY long schnozzle! ;)



LOLOLOLOL :lol: :lol: :lol:
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7 years ago
"gNick" wrote:

Whether it will actually happen at full depth is another story of course, pumping slurry up 5km is going to cost a fair whack.



.... Ignoring the density of the solids relative to sea water and temperature for the moment, would the pumping head be 5Km or the height of the vessel discharge above sea level + pipeline friction losses(?)

:-[ sorry for asking.
Morlock
7 years ago
I suspect the system may be vacuum dredging, head being vacuum pump inlet above sea level?
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"Morlock" wrote:

I suspect the system may be vacuum dredging, head being vacuum pump inlet above sea level?



Sort of, though that only works to about 30m, below that there have to be pumps mounted on the pipe heading down. I think that De Beers have a system that will reach 300m BUT there are dredge pumps requiring lots of MegaWatts involved.

For deep ocean floor mining, the crawler on the sea bed is the least of the problems, the infrastructure required to transport the slurry to surface such as a series of big pumps and the floating power station needed to power it.


Mining asteroids might be cheaper
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Morlock
7 years ago
Much more complex than I first anticipated.
Roy Morton
7 years ago
During a visit to Pretoria in 1980, I jumped down into a 5 foot deep 5 foot wide storm gully running across a large area of bush, to get a view of the geology.
The bottom was Dolomite gravel with occasional fragments of quartz, and small pebbles of a grey, semi lustrous mineral grading 20mm to sand.
Picking up a large nodule, 50mm, I felt quite chuffed, it being the largest piece I'd found in half hours worth of fossicking.
Folowing the gully for another 20 yards around a bend, I was faced with a 'nodule' so big, the storm waters had passed both sides of it. 3 feet wide and about 4 feet high, and presumably a lot more of buried in the ground.
Gobsmacked!
A few miles distant was the ISCOR factory (Iron & steel Corporation of Sth Africa which was apparently built on the massive iron lode which fed the furnaces.
These deposits I saw were a part of this massive mineralised belt.
The plant itself was like a small town, and i went along one evening to take some time exposure shots, hoping to see the slag tubs being dumped
Instead, I was met by 3 security landrovers that blocked the car on three side forcing a stop. Then surrounded by 7 or 8 security gorillas with automatic machine guns, briefly arrested and had my camera confiscated.
Frog marched at gunpoint, and having to explain to a hard line Boer manager why I was there so late at night, and carrying a Russian camera to boot, tested me to the limit.
Ended well and got the camera back too. I was expecting deportation :lol:

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