Sorry, I am tied up in the bloody acronyms, dont SERCO make speed cameras.
HAS to be adifferent outfit, Grrr.

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These I cant place
SMWCRT
SMRT
SERCO

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WMPT & DCRO get my vote.

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These I cant place
SMWCRT
SMRT
SERCO

At a Guess...
1)South and Mid Wales Cave Rescue Team
2)?
3)South England Cave Rescue Organisation(Should be SECRO)

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2)

People are regularly mine exploring in the Dales so I'd put in a suggestion for the Swaledale Mountain Rescue Team (SMRT). Despite the name they do the underground stuff as well.

SECRO - South East CRO. Mainly funded by donations from local clubs.

Thanks for the explanations.
Right, my vote is for a split between WMPT and a rescue organisation.
I am unsure which one.
Just to muddy the waters, the Air Ambulance could come into the equation one year. I think keep it to the list this time.
So thinking about it, what cave rescue possibly has the most call outs?
Well I would think DCRO from what I have seen around the Peak District.
So for me its WMPT and DCRO.

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WMPT and DCRO for me i reckon

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SMWCRT 😉 my team 🙂 = my vote.

Whats WMPT??

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Rescue organisations, a big yes, but what about charitable heritage trusts such as Welsh Mines Preservation Trust?

WMPT gives enormous bang for bucks; you only have to look at some of the work that they have done so far and what it cost. No ‘consultants’ on the payroll you see.

SMWCRT 😉 my team 🙂 = my vote.

Whats WMPT??

To save Lab Rat the onerous job of reading the previous page of this thread here is what has been said about WMPT:-

From Roy Fellows:-

I agree with a lot of the comment re organisations such as PDMHS, no disrespect to it, I am a member anyway.

Rescue organisations, a big yes, but what about charitable heritage trusts such as Welsh Mines Preservation Trust?

WMPT gives enormous bang for bucks; you only have to look at some of the work that they have done so far and what it cost. No ‘consultants’ on the payroll you see.

From Mwynwr:-

If consideration was given to making a donation in addition to the above to the preservation side of the mining community, the Trust could make good use of a small donation.

As Roy says we do not employ Consultants (or any one ); all our work is carried out by members (and friends) at their own expense. We have been fortunate in the recent past to have received grants from CADW - Penyclun Engine House Restoration, Ceredigion County Council's Spirit of the Miners Project, Environment Agency Wales - Pont Ceunant Generating Station (Frongoch), CCC's PLWM Project - Ystrad Einion.

At present we are hoping to be able to have some involvement with the RCAHM (W) in the new Metal Links Project.

As some of you will know our current projects are at Dylife with Michael Brown and at Cwmbyr.

I would concur with the DCRO and WMPT split. Similarly, if it were possible for the donation to WMPT to go to a specific project, then that would be good.

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I would concur with the DCRO and WMPT split. Similarly, if it were possible for the donation to WMPT to go to a specific project, then that would be good.

Gets my vote :thumbup:

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The Welsh Mines Preservation Trust is honoured to be considered for a donation from the sale of the Adit Now calendar for 2012.

I note from some postings on this thread that the repair of the pump-rods at Cwm Ciprwth is a project that many feel would be a use for this donation.

I feel it only fair to raise a few points about this suggestion:-

1 The Trust’s regular work party members either live or have an interest in the Mid Wales area and I think we would find it difficult to attract sufficient numbers up to North Wales. If however Adit Now members in the area were able to assist this would not be a problem.

2 We need to find out if the site is a Scheduled Monument, if it is we would have to obtain Scheduled Monument Consent from CADW and have the work plan and materials approved by CADW.

We also need to find out who owns the site and who carried out the last repair; and to get their permission to do the work.

3 I have not been to Cwm Ciprwth for many years and I am not aware how bad the condition of the pump-rods is; I assume they need complete replacement. To replace them would be quite an involved job, we would need to strip everything down, remove the iron fittings for cleaning and painting, dispose of the rotten timber. We would then need to source suitable timber either pitch pine or hard wood, drill holes and apply paint or preservative and transport them to the site. Then refit the whole assembly.

Further to this we would need a plan for ongoing maintenance.

4 I do not have a clue how much all of this would cost. The Trust does not have much spare money, I would think it would cost much more than Adit Now would be able to fund to complete the work.

Obviously costs could be reduced if someone was able to find a cheap source of timber and arrange/provide transport. Sources of additional funding may be found.

I feel it only fair to make you all aware of the situation before you decide to make a
donation from sale of Adit Now calendars to the Trust, as I can not at present
guarantee that the Trust would be able to spend the donation on restoration at Cwm
Ciprwth. If forum members still decide to make a donation to the Trust and repairs at
Cwm Ciprwth were not possible, I am sure a suitable site in Mid Wales could be
found for the donation to be spent at eg. Dylife or any other site decided by Forum
members.

Graham

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I dont think it was a case of you can only have the money "if you repair the pump rods" its more a case of the money would gladly be donated towards a project. One sugested project was the pump rods. However any projects proposed by yourselves for funding would, im sure, be fine :flowers:

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I would think we'd be quite happy to gather together a few people to lend a hand at Cwm Ciprwth if required!

As far as funds are concerned, whether or not the calendar sales raise a sufficient amount, if we got to a position where we knew how much was needed, I would hope that's a problem that could be solved.

Would it be possible for tentative overtures to be made to see whether the work would require CADW's permission; and what other permissions would be required?

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Would it be possible for tentative overtures to be made to see whether the work would require CADW's permission; and what other permissions would be required?

Judging by CADW's response regarding Maen Offeren, your first call should be to the Buildings Preservation Officer for Gwynedd (or possibly the Snowdonia National Park equivelent). It will end up at CADW, but you have to follow "proper procedure"!

WMPT and DCRO is my choice. I too am a member of PDMHS and feel that they do not need the money.

Incidently is anyone on AN aware that the Government has granted funding for mountain, cave and cliff rescue for the first time ever in the present financial year? I am posting details on a separate forum topic.

Incidently is anyone on AN aware that the Government has granted funding for mountain, cave and cliff rescue for the first time ever in the present financial year?

"I must be dreaming"
Sean Connery.. Goldfinger

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No Roy, you're not, it's real!!! About ready to post the information onto AN now.

Right then, an executive (cough!) decision.

As with previous years there will be two options for your calendar proceeds to go to, this year they are:

WMPT
DCRO

Calendar proceeds aren't massive (if it's a good year again and sells about 100 to 120 copies then it'll be around £550 to £650 split two ways) so it's nice for it to go to groups that aren't funded in other ways; plus this is one Wales, one England; one CRO and one preservation group; and last but not least, these two got the most support.

Hope that meets majority approval :)

Of those bodies that aren't in that final list of two; we'll most definitely consider them next year, it seems fair to spread it around and not support the same groups each year.

I quite like the idea of doing another Underground Reflections photo book towards the end of the year and picking another CRO for the proceeds from sales of that.

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