MineRover
16 years ago
Back in the late 80's I was talking to an old man at the Levant Mine he said that he would never go near the site after dark because of all the strange sounds, I have never been there after sunset so I cannot confirm how spooky it is. On a tenuous link to mining my other half and I had a day touring round some of the WW1 battlefields in Belgium and ended up at Hill 60 near Ypres. At the time we did not know the full story except that the ridge had been heavily mined by the British & Germans, we visited on a bright June day but as we walked round the cratered hill I felt very uneasy. The atmosphere felt very heavy like just before a storm and it was almost like I could not breathe properly as if someone was sitting on my chest I also noticed no bird song. We had a quick look round and then left, the feeling did not subside until we were a couple of miles away and it was at that point my other half said I am glad we are away from there. She proceeded to relay exactly the feelings I had experienced even though until then we had not said anything to one another. We visited several sites that day but never experienced anything like that again. After furher reading we found out that the site is classed as a war grave as so many soldiers were buried alive in the mines there.
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sougher
16 years ago
Reading MineRover's post, triggered off my memory concerning WW1, having grown up with stories of the war from my father who served in the Royal Field Artillery for four years in France, some of the places where he was involved in the fighting being Hellfire Corner, Hill 60, Loos, Gommecourt, The Somme etc. Unfortunately he died when I was in my late 20's and not then being interested in WW1 I didn't really absorb these stories, I now wish I had. I do have his copy of a very tattered first edition of the book of the 46th North Midland Division (the first complete Territorial Division into France in February, 1915, which was composed of Regiments of the old Danelaw counties, i.e. Lincoln, Nottingham, Leicester, Derby and Stafford) "Breaking the Hindenburg Line - The Story of the 46th [North Midland] Division" by Major R. E. Priestley, M.C., R.E., published 1919 by T. Fisher Unwin Ltd., London. In the book as well as describing the final onslaught are some large scale hand painted maps. For years trying to recall where Dad said he'd been, I'd studied maps of France trying to locate the area of these maps around Bellenalise near the St. Quentin canal, where a memorial to the 46th was erected. It was near to the St. Quentin canal tunnel, I knew no more than that.

In 1972 my 2 No. ex and myself organised a four week caving expedition to Turkey, down to the Taurus Mountains. Accompanying us was Jim Eyre and his girl friend who he would later marry, we'd organised earlier expeditions to Iran and Turkey on which Jim and his first wife had also accompanied us. Well we were travelling across northern France (this time in our Transit not the Land Rovers) with Jim driving, when suddenly he braked outside a cafe and said "coffee time folks". My eldest son pointed down the road to a small war memorial that stood by the stone wall that lined the road we were driving along, we walked down to it. To my astonishment it was an American memorial erected by the "Tennessee troops of the 59th & 60th Brigades of the 30th Division who broke the Hindenburg Line on September 29th, 1918". Not only that but we looked over the stone wall and down below us was the St. Quentin canal and the tunnel entrance. Shortly after resuming our journey, we came to a cross roads and there was a sign post pointing to Bellenglise! Shivers went down my back, of all the places in France that we had to stop for a break, why here? I have often puzzled about it. I am an agnostic, but felt very close to my dad that day, it was a very strange feeling as though he'd directed us there, answering yet another of the many questions that I constantly asked him throughout his life.

Still on the same expedition, we left Istanbul and drove down to the west side of the Dardanelle Straits where we reached the ferry terminus to cross to Cannakale which is sited on the east side. The ferry had stopped for the night, it was very late, dark, cold and a strong wind blowing, most of the rocky shore line was covered in masses of plastic of all descriptions, it was a horrible, eerie, uncomfortable place to be. Jim without a care in the world said "well thats it I'm throwing my sleeping bag out and sleeping on the beach tonight". I made Reg put our tent up, it had such an unhappy feel about it, we hardly slept and were up at dawn break. Next night found us outside the gates at Epheusus, the stars were shining in a cloudless sky, it had a most peaceful feel about it, Jim muttered and groaned, he hated it, so that night he put his tent up and my ex. and me slept under the stars. Just goes to show how different people react to different places doesn't it. We went on many expeditions together, Jim was a good bloke to have in tricky situations and we had many adventures, some of which he wrote up in his books.

On our way back from the 1965 Oxford University/Derbyshire caving expedition (a lot of Eldon P.C and P.D.M.H.S. went on this trip) to Leon and the Cantabrian mountains in Northern Spain we visited some of the WW2 cemetaries in northern France. The American cemetary (I've forgotten the name but it was the one where the recent 65th D. Day remembrance ceremony with President Obama was held) was immaculate, the headstones in marble, it was gleaming and to my mind glorified war. We then visited a German cemetary, and having lived as a child through WW2 experiencing bombing etc., I felt that this cemetary with sculptured figures, heads hung down, hewn out of brown/black granite as were the headstones, really brought back the meaning of what war was really all about. The feeling was of great oppression, and sadness. I had to leave because the atmosphere was so overbearing and it made me cry. A complete contrast to the American cemetary.

Sorry to have gone off topic once again, but there are many, many eerie places on this earth, that arn't just confined to mining areas.
carnkie
16 years ago
Another very interesting post Sougher but your mention of the American cemeteries reminds me of the Lyndon Johnson story.

In 1966 upon being told that President Charles De Gaulle had taken France out of NATO and that all U.S. Troops must be evacuated off of French soil Johnson replied, "ask him if that includes the ones in the cemeteries". :oops: :offtopic:
The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.
minerat
16 years ago
makes you wonder why De Gaulle chose to do what he did, now every 6th June we, the Americans, the Poles and the French stand side by side as comrades to remember the fallen, been at Omaha Beach, Pont Du Hoc and its very strange you get the feeling you are being watched, I treat the places with respect and come away with respect. your knowledge of things never ceases to amaze me Sougher.
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Well I can say in my last 12 months travels there is one amazingly eerie place and its connected to mining, railways oil, military and just about every walk of life. If you were a famous or important person of Argentina in old and not so old days then you would be interred here. Eva Peron (Evita) is also buried here and it has to be the craziest 54 Acres of land I ever visited. This place being Recoleta Necropolis in Buenos Aires in Argentina... Every tomb is ornate and beautiful until it rains then a blanket decends and the atmosphere changes and TRUST me you would not wan't to be wandering around there at night!!!... the first pic was from my hotel room window last October... The rest are just odd ones taken at random from the 700 or so pics I took there... The fabulous memorial plaques on the tombs (all in bronze) had miners tools, trains, oil wells, factories, aircraft, ship, shipyards., soldiers.. pretty much everything on them.. eerie but very beautiful so I hope you will indulge me here...
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Dickie Bird
16 years ago
Just come across the threads about eerie places. Interesting. I once borrowed a book from the local library about the old Waverley (rail) Route which ran from Carlise to Edinburgh. It was essentially a photo book of the steam era, pre Beeching, by a photographer whose name I can't recall now. Some nice pictures. The caption for one photo stated that the author had set up for a picture at a place called Shank End, where the track curved nicely and where he thought he would get a good shot. Whilst waiting for the arrival of a train, he became aware of the most evil sensation, which made the hair on the back of his neck stand up! He reported that couldn't wait to get away from the place (and anything in the way of the "paranormal" was furthest from his mind as he was concentrating on his photography - a steam train anorack, in fact). I think he reported there were some ruins nearby from which this unwelcome feeling seemed to eminate. Whilst talking to a Peak Park Ranger recently - a Scot - we somehow got on to the subject of curious places and he told me he was aware of the reputation of Shank End which was, seemingly, the site of a Nazi Prisoner of War camp during WWII. Whether that explains things, who knows? I would like to have another look at this book, but can't for the life of me recall its title. This little snippet has stuck in my mind, ever since I read it many years back, so if anyone has a copy on their shelves perhaps they would let me know.
On the mining front, it was related by a pal of mine that someone looking for the portal of a long forgotten adit near Gunnislake, some years ago, was directed to the spot by an old man, encountered en route, somewhere down by the river. The portal (or, as it turned out, merely an ochreous spring- which is why it was difficult to find) was exactly where the old fella had said. On return to base - or pub (!?) - the mining enthusiast was relating his expedition and one of the old locals asked what the old man encountered looked like. After describing his appearance to the local, the latter exclaimed that, from the sound of it he was talking about old "Capn Doidge" who had been dead many years! A.E.Doidge was indeed a real life character, who lived on the site of the Slimeford Works in the valley for over 50 years. Makes a good story if nothing else. Nearer home, on the road between Ashord in the Water and Monsal Head in Derbyshire, there is a small limestone walled plot of land marked on the 1:25000 OS maps adjacent to, and west to of the road. This is the site of what is termed the Infidels' Cemetery, a reputedly 'evil' site with not a few paranomal stories attached to it. I have been there (difficult to park and best reached on foot from Monsal Head) and it certainly has a bit of an eldrich feeling to it! Apparently, according to my Google search, it was a Baptist Burial Ground and the ivy covered stones, which still stand, are just about legible in places. And, no, I have not just returned from the pub!

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16 years ago
We covered big Cats in this post... such as the Jagman!! ::)

However it would appear someone has caught a big cat at last in half reasonable quality on Video as against a 2 miles away dot... this one is pretty undeniable I think..

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090728/video/vod-big-cat-captured-on-video-f1a0497.html 
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16 years ago
Very important piece of video that. The track's built to fixed measurements which will give scale and size. it will be possible to measure it exactly without any argument for the first time.

Incidentally Iclok, if you liked Recoleta you should take a trip to Highgate West Cemetery in London. You can only get in by way of a guided tour but it's well worth it, (Saturdays are best, just turn up) . Absolutely amazing place. Very beautiful and spooky too. I would post a picture but I don't know how.
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Keep meaning to go to Highgate.... thanks for the tip though.... will def do it now!

I reckon that cat is 2.5 to 3 feet long!! Tiddles it ain't.... :lol:
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toadstone
16 years ago
"MineRover" wrote:

On a tenuous link to mining my other half and I had a day touring round some of the WW1 battlefields in Belgium and ended up at Hill 60 near Ypres. At the time we did not know the full story except that the ridge had been heavily mined by the British & Germans, we visited on a bright June day but as we walked round the cratered hill I felt very uneasy. The atmosphere felt very heavy like just before a storm and it was almost like I could not breathe properly as if someone was sitting on my chest I also noticed no bird song. We had a quick look round and then left, the feeling did not subside until we were a couple of miles away and it was at that point my other half said I am glad we are away from there. She proceeded to relay exactly the feelings I had experienced even though until then we had not said anything to one another. We visited several sites that day but never experienced anything like that again. After further reading we found out that the site is classed as a war grave as so many soldiers were buried alive in the mines there.



You might like to follow this, I mentioned it sometime ago here, I don't know whether or not the film is progressing.
"Beneath Hill 60" http://www.beneathhill60.com.au/background.htm 
There's an interesting picture at the bottom of the page showing the type of cage the canaries were kept in.
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16 years ago
Awsomely sad... an amazing feat of mining.... thanks for the link.. My grandfather was in the the Royal Field Artilliary and he bought up these guys and the mines in one of talks our re ww1... he remembered meeting some of these guys and being a Derbyshire coal miner tried to engage them in conversation re how they were doing etc... but they almost ignored him and I remember him remarking that "if we thought we were close as mates, this lot were twice as close... you b***dy would be though stuck down there in the middle of that lot together wouldn't you.."
Daft as it sounds I think he was probably envious as he was very patriotic and was one of those miners that loved his mining job.... given the chance to have coupled that to doing his bit would have suited him to the ground.

After a bit the smiling and tale telling would slow to a stop and he would sigh and nod his head sadly... "All them younguns... gone... such a waste... people dunna learn owt in this world"

He was a great guy and unlike most wanted everyone to know what he saw, especially me for which I am eternally grateful.

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Tamarmole
16 years ago
Hill 60 is certainly a strange place. Back in 2007 returning from the Harz I bivvied on Hill 60 in the vicinity of trench 38 (the old British frontline). In the middle of the night I felt a presence next to me and someone saying in a calm voice "Don't worry we'll bring you in"; after that I felt an intense feeling of peace -wierd.
sougher
16 years ago
Iclok - Both your grandfather and my dad coming from Derbyshire and serving in the Royal Field Artillery in WW1, would have served in France with the 46th (North Midland) Division whose soldiers were recruited from the Danelaw counties i.e. Lincoln, Leicester, Nottingham, Derby and Stafford. I've been doing a bit of research into where dad served in WW1 and the 46th was the first Territorial Division to arrive in any theatre of war at the end of February, 1915 (i.e. France - they sailed from Southampton to Le Harve after earlier being reviewed by George V at Bishop's Stortford). The Division's baptism of fire was at Ploegsteet & Neuve-Englise and then to the Ypres salient when part of the time was spent in front of the notorious Hill 60. With them both being at Hill 60 sounds like your grandfather volunteered as did my dad. If you're interested I'll write in more detail offline about where else the 46th served. The 46th's most momentous achievement was the breaking of the Hindenburg Line at the end of September, 1918 which hastened the end of the war (a good book on this battle "The Breaking of the Hindenburg Line. The Story of the 46th [North Midland)]Division" by Major R. E. Priestley M.C.,R.E. 1919 can be found online, on I think Google Books). Incidently the 1/1st Battalion Monmouthshire Regiment served with the 46th as well, and that regiment had miners in it's ranks as well didn't it?

Do you have the details of your grandfather's medal card at the PRO which will give details of his date of enlistment, date of demobilisation, army number etc., and what medals were given to him at the end of the war. Do you have his medals? I've got my dad's three, WW1's medals all had the mens names on them plus their army number, WW2 medals do not contain this information. I'm off to Kew very shortly to view the War Diary of the RFA 46th Divisional Ammunition Column in which dad served throughout his army service. Do you know what RFA Battery your grandfather served in?

I know it's off topic, but thought you'd like the information.
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16 years ago
Sougher, Its always nice to talk to you, I have his three medals with me now .. They say...

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Any info would be much appreciated, all I know is he left Blackwell Colliery with a bunch of mates and was a driver of amunition wagons and guns... he told me shed loads of great stuff without any elaboration but very little re how or where he joined up, many of them from the pits around Blackwell joined did not come back.... odd thing was in the village even in the 70s everyone new their names and what they did at the pit!!

Regs IC
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MineRover
16 years ago
You might like to follow this, I mentioned it sometime ago here, I don't know whether or not the film is progressing.
"Beneath Hill 60" http://www.beneathhill60.com.au/background.htm 
There's an interesting picture at the bottom of the page showing the type of cage the canaries were kept in.



Thanks Toadstone yes I have seen this link as you say not sure if the film is on it's way. You are quite right Tamarmole it is a strange place indeed very sad to think so much life was lost on that spot.

Continuing with the WW1 theme last weekend I was at the War & Peace Show in Kent (military vehicle owner!) and I was speaking to someone from the Durand Group. If you have never heard of them check out this link.

http://www.durandgroup.org.uk/DGprofile.pdf 

They have a very interesting DVD out at the moment called 'Fighting The Germans Underground' which details their work on Vimy Ridge in France.

The Germans were over 100' below ground in that location digging through chalk. In the DVD they worked out that at one point the British & Germans were only 15 - 20' apart in their tunnels. There is one very interesting section where they went down into both sides tunnels and knocked on the walls and they could clearly hear one another :ohmygod:

The chap I was speaking to said that the main motorway to Paris runs near Vimy Ridge and the underground subways run under the motorway no more than 50' down :blink: he said you can hear the traffic above. It appears when the motorway was constructed they did not know where all the tunnels were.



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16 years ago
The motorway does pass close to Vimy Ridge and i had the same story off a construction worker while building the later TGV train routes. He had worked on various motorways as well and told me the same story telling me there were tunnels from the war only 15m below the carriage way... he believed they tried some sort of sound wave thing to find them but only after the motorway was built..... not sure what he meant. He was very clear however that the plans would you believe were not that accurate pertaining to the area but they went ahead and built the road anyway.
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MineRover
16 years ago
It appears that at the time of the motorway construction in the 1960's - 70's? they found at least one of the subways as when the Durand team went in they found a breeze block wall behind which the tunnel had been pumped full of grout.

They wondered if all the subways had been found and treated in the same way. Apparently though this one was in the minority and it must have been located purely by chance as most of the others were still very much open some with hundreds of pounds of explosive still in place! 😞

Just goes to show there are not many places man has not tunnelled under for war or peace!

Alan.
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sougher
15 years ago
Iclok - I forgot to ask you whilst on the phone earlier, being as it's All Hallows' Eve this evening (Halloween in plain words!), have you any plans for visting anywhere to suss out an eerie experience?

Although Magpie Mine has the atsmosphere, expecially with the legend of the miner who carried the bundle of straw up True Blue Lane to light the fire that caused the deaths of miners in the Red Soil Vein in the early 19th century,supposedly haunting the site, with it being a Saturday evening I expect there will be people staying at the Cottage which will surely put him off!

Interested to hear if you do anything.
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15 years ago
I think walking my Collie 'Bracken' round Ripley tonight will be frightening enough Sougher.... all sorts of horrors up there in Ripley...

Though a walk around Shipley old hall seems appealing later ...... with the missis :devil:
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Scraesdon Fort up the road from me in a very odd place to poke around.

It was built from Plimuff Limestone and the second level contains loads of POW graves.

http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthread.php?t=7305 

I was always up there as a kid running around the tunnels with a candle in a jar for light.

I was showing someone around there a while ago and there was an unearthly noise coming from one of the tunnels. We went down there to have a look and it was a dead end. Very odd indeed.

The most incredible stone/brickwork if you're into that sort of thing.

Edit, just remembered, the candle in a jar came in handy after I put turpentine in my hurricane lamp and blackened up the glass :lol:

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