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carnkie
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17 years ago

#41

As usual in these sort of discussions there is no earthly reason why the two activities cannot exist quite amicably side by side if common sense prevails. Unfortunately this isn't taught in universities. It only needs a few idiots (on either side) and then people take up polarized positions. After that you tend to get, what I call, the circular argument. 😞

Malcolm

The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.

Roy Morton
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17 years ago

#42

It's an unfortunate fact that every mineral collector I have ever met, and that amounts to a number way in excess of fifty, would have no problem at all with pulling out an ore chute or barring out tons of material to satisfy thier greed. Cligga Head mine in Cornwall is a prime example. All but one of the ore chutes on the adit level were intact for years, and then in the space of one weekend they were all destroyed and nothing was found. I fell out bigtime with some of the perpetrators and since then, because others have seen that the chutes have been rifled, they too think that there must be something in there for others to have dragged it out in the first place, and so it goes on. I will pick up a piece out of the waste if one presents itself to me, but I don't have any kind words for the mineral thieves and mine rapists lining their pockets at the expense and destruction of our mining heritage for which we should be the responsible custodiains.
The legalities are myriad.

P.S. I think his signature just about sums it all up!

"You Chinese think of everything!"
"But I''m not Chinese!"
"Then you must have forgotten something!"

ben88800
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17 years ago

#43

there is no reason why we can not all live side by side the group that i go out collecting with would never even dream of destroying an artifact just for a mineral i know a couple that would and have done and they are not liked by the rest of use. its good to see that you do not have a problem with responsable collecters jimbo i would like to think i fall into that group. just because you have seen what some people can do dont tar use all with the same brush. Malcolm was right on debates like this when we all have strong opinions this is what i was trying to say when i said you where all narrow minded. jimbo sorry i will not go into any more detail about the minerals that have been found this last couple of years because i dont want to step on any ones toes who might be writeing a paper on then and does not want the info in the public domain yet and because i feel i can not trust some of you not to act of this info as well

Jimbo
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17 years ago

#44

Well said Roy that is exactly the kind of destruction we have seen all too often (and yes I would pick up a sample if it was just sitting in a pile of spoil) 🙂

We have all seen good examples of sparklies during our explorations but would never disclose locations to anyone that we did not personally know & trust (& especially on a public web-site as mindat do all to often)

"PDHMS, WMRG, DCC, Welsh Mines Society, Northern Mines Research Group, Nenthead Mines Society and General Forum Gobshite!"

sparty_lea
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17 years ago

#45

"Jimbo" wrote:

What world class minerals are these then, give me a link to a site showing these amazing UK discoveries and evidence that they were gathered in a responsible manner.

I do not really have a problem with responsible collecting (though can see little point in the UK now) as long as there is no destruction within the mines.

Minerals dont have to be large, showy spectacular specimens to be of interest to collectors, a great deal of what I find interesting the average mine explorer would likely dismiss as cr*p, microscopic crystals, earthy coatings on rocks, pieces of veinstuff that demonstrate the paragenesis of the minerals present.
There have been several minerals new to science discovered in the UK in the last few years and there is, at present, at least one other in the process of being characterised. Research on the mode of formation of mineral deposits also continues, we are very far from understanding the precise chemistry involved even on something as apparently simple as the deposition of fluorite in hydrothermal veins.

To dismiss a whole science as pointless on the apparent basis that you dont think there are alot of pretty bits left to be found is a bit rash.

There are 10 types of people in the world.

Those that understand binary and those that do not!

ben88800
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17 years ago

#46

well put sparty lea

Jimbo
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17 years ago

#47

I thought that fluid inclusion studies even back when I was at Uni (20years ago) had gone a great way towards understanding the precise chemistry involved in hydrothermal mineralisation. The level of understanding must be somewhat more advanced now with the latest technologies available.

I seem to remember writing a paper on basinal fluids as potential hydrothermal solutions i.e. Mississippi valley type mineralisation & it's similarities to mineralisation in the N Pennine Orefield 😉

Perhaps this is old hat now 😞

"PDHMS, WMRG, DCC, Welsh Mines Society, Northern Mines Research Group, Nenthead Mines Society and General Forum Gobshite!"

Roy Morton
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17 years ago

#48

Got no truck with the science, just the 'Scientists'

"You Chinese think of everything!"
"But I''m not Chinese!"
"Then you must have forgotten something!"

sparty_lea
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17 years ago

#49

Alot is 'known' about the brines and deposition temperatures can be determined fairly easily from fluid inclusion studies, but trying to fit currently accepted knowledge of the conditions pertaining during mineralisation in the Pennines with phase diagrams for fluorite seems to suggest that there ought not to be any!
Obviously there is, so something is wrong somewhere.
But that was only one example there are a great many interesting and potentially useful areas for further study and collecting specimens can assist that.

Quite apart from the science though there is nothing wrong with the aesthetic appreciation of minerals and I think a great many explorers are a bit two faced over mineral collecting.

I once went on a trip to Hilton Mine with a large group of mine explorers from a well recognised club and the only difference between them and the Russell Society (a mineralogical soc) was that they only had one hammer between them and they hadn't much idea what they were collecting.

There are 10 types of people in the world.

Those that understand binary and those that do not!

ben88800
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17 years ago

#50

Quote:

Got no truck with the science, just the 'Scientists'

with out the scientists there is no science
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ChrisP
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17 years ago

#51

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

ben88800
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17 years ago

#52

i find that offensive because i know which side of the fence you fall on may i remind you that it was jimbo who started with the language that has started all this off by calling all mineral collecters scum

sparty_lea
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17 years ago

#53

Since Carnkie's prediction seems to be fulfilled I'm off to bed
Good night to all.
🙂

There are 10 types of people in the world.

Those that understand binary and those that do not!

ben88800
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17 years ago

#54

i think i will be heading the same way soon since i have a full day rapeing and pillaging the countrys mineral wealth in the morning might even take some boom boom sticks with me since that is the picture you have of a mineral collecter

Jimbo
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17 years ago

#55

"ben88800" wrote:
i find that offensive because i know which side of the fence you fall on may i remind you that it was jimbo who started with the language that has started all this off by calling all mineral collecters scum

Not all mineral collectors, just the ones who trash mines in the name of mineral collecting.

Any links to the latest research Sparty, it would be great to catch up on the latest thinking, a bit of light bedtime reading :lol:

"PDHMS, WMRG, DCC, Welsh Mines Society, Northern Mines Research Group, Nenthead Mines Society and General Forum Gobshite!"

sparty_lea
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17 years ago

#56

I dont know that that particular topic is being actively researched by anyone at the moment, it came up in conversation on a paper on the relationship between baryte and witherite in the North Pennines and how the two have undergone multiple cycles of replacing each other. If you want to read that paper perhaps you should join the Russel Soc, it will be in their next journal 😉

There are 10 types of people in the world.

Those that understand binary and those that do not!

Barney
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17 years ago

#57

A gentle reminder ....

A couple of the posts here have been a little close to directly insulting others, Keep it nice people, posts can and will be deleted....

Roy Morton
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17 years ago

#58

Without the collectors there would be much more for everyone to see, and all insitu. What better place could you possibly wish for than to observe nature within a natural setting. It is this type of blinkered approach that has caused the destruction of the rain forests, the White Rhino, the Snow Leopard.............need I say any more?

"You Chinese think of everything!"
"But I''m not Chinese!"
"Then you must have forgotten something!"

ben88800
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17 years ago

#59

that is yout opinion and you are entitled to it

come on could you not blame use for a few more of the world problems

jagman
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17 years ago

#60

"ben88800" wrote:
that is yout opinion and you are entitled to it

come on could you not blame use for a few more of the world problems

Ben
I'm sure you are a pleasant enough fella and are enthusuaistic about what you do, but you have come here to seek advice on where to go to find mineral samples to remove from mines. Most of us here strongly prefer these mines undisturbed.
You then get peeved off because we won't supply the information blindly to all comers.
Smell the roses mate, you aren't going to get the information or sympathy for your cause here.