Moorebooks
10 years ago
This book was announced at the NAMHO 2014 Conference in Bangor and is long awaited, I'm offering this post free at www.moorebooks.co.uk - Mike

Welsh Slate, Archaeology and History of an Industry

David Gwyn, HB, 288pp £45
Publishers Synopsis - Slates from quarries in Wales once went to roof the world. By the late nineteenth century as many as a third of all the roofing slates produced worldwide came from Wales, competing with quarries in France and the United States. This book traces the industry from its origins in the Roman period, its slow medieval development and then its massive expansion in the nineteenth century – as well as through its long drawn-out decline in the twentieth.

Dr David Gwyn lives in Pen y Groes, in the Nantlle slate region of Gwynedd. He has worked in archaeology for 20 years, and is co-tutor on the annual slate quarry Practical Industrial Archaeology courses run by the Snowdonia National Park at their study centre, Plas Tan y Bwlch.


CONTENTS
Foreword: Professor R. Merfyn Jones CBE
Author's Preface
Introduction
The Landscapes of the Slate Industry
The Archaeology of Slate Products
Extraction and Tipping
Prime Movers and Power Systems
Drainage, Pumping and Ventilation
Processing
Internal Transport Systems
Workshops and Maintenance
Offices and Administration
Health and Welfare
Settlement and Community
Overland Transport Systems
Maritime Transport
A Wider World
Bibliography
List of Figures
List of Principal Sites
Index
rhychydwr
10 years ago
Not quite 1p a page 😞
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10 years ago
"rhychydwr" wrote:



Not quite 1p a page :(



Nothing to complain about there, then. 😉
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rhychydwr
10 years ago
But there is one book which cost less than 1p/page:

Memoirs of a Moldwarp by Peter Rhyder 2008 124pp.

I am a bit fealful of mentioning here as it is a C*ving book, but is does describe quite a few mines: Windegg, Ayleburn, Sil Howe, Lunehead etc.

But the real surpise, instead of the expected 124 pp = £12.40 it was only £8.75 and post free :o

from here:

http://www.broomlee.org/publications/index.htm 

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10 years ago
"rhychydwr" wrote:

But there is one book which cost less than 1p/page:

Memoirs of a Moldwarp by Peter Rhyder 2008 124pp.

I am a bit fealful of mentioning here as it is a C*ving book, but is does describe quite a few mines: Windegg, Ayleburn, Sil Howe, Lunehead etc.

But the real surpise, instead of the expected 124 pp = £12.40 it was only £8.75 and post free :o

from here:

http://www.broomlee.org/publications/index.htm 



i think you mean less than 10p per page...:oops::smartass::lol:
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Moorebooks
10 years ago
Tony,

Your comments are irrelevant the published price has nothing to do with trashy photocopying.

For all this you contribute nothing regarding the research or details contained within

Mike
rhychydwr
10 years ago
"Moorebooks" wrote:

Tony,

Your comments are irrelevant the published price has nothing to do with trashy photocopying.

For all this you contribute nothing regarding the research or details contained within

Mike



I think you have missed the point. Books can be published at a fraction of the price. If my maths is correct (and it is not very good) your £45 books cost 15.6p/page. I am suggesting that books can be produced for 10p/page or less.

Come to think of it. Most c*ving books I buy on fleabay are £0.99 each


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Grumpytramp
10 years ago
"rhychydwr" wrote:

Not quite 1p a page :(



You know what, I really cannot understand what point you are (repeatedly) making?

Everyone knows you can photocopy a page for pennies. So what?

Typesetting, reprographics. printing, quality paper, binding, distribution, registrations, risk etc all cost money. Anyone publishing a volume of mining history is publishing for love not profit ....... I for one would rather have a bookshelf of beautiful, well written and informative books than a pile of 1p per sheet printed paper.

I now expect despite my mining interests being focussed on the coal industry ....... I will probably buy the volume to spite you ;)
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10 years ago
I imagine the decades of work that has gone into the book makes it worth 45 pounds ::)

I bet that more work has gone into this book, than the 25 years I have existed on this planet.

I would love a copy of this as it sounds a brilliant read but my current unemployment makes that difficult!
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rhychydwr
10 years ago
"Blober" wrote:

I imagine the decades of work that has gone into the book makes it worth 45 pounds ::)

I bet that more work has gone into this book, than the 25 years I have existed on this planet.

I would love a copy of this as it sounds a brilliant read but my current unemployment makes that difficult!



Get a copy from the library 🙂
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10 years ago
I have temporarily removed Tony's posting rights.

I suspect I speak for the majority of people here when I say that posts like those of Tony's above add nothing to this site; and in all likelihood deter people from continuing to read otherwise informative threads.

I fully expect this book to justify its price tag and its on my shopping list :)


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pedrgogh
10 years ago
Well done Simon I was, as I expect a number others, getting a bit pi**ed off with the pointless rants.
JohnnearCfon
10 years ago
Well done Simon. I did hope he would take the hint from myself and others a few days ago, but no, he not only carried on on that thread but now had another pointless rant on this thread. To which I have now added, sorry. I have a suspicion that Tony's continuous rants are more a personal attack on Mike Moore rather than whatever excuse for a rant he can find.

Yes, I will be getting that book too. As I know the author and often bump into him I will get mine signed at some point.
exspelio
10 years ago
"SimonRL" wrote:

I have temporarily removed Tony's posting rights.

I suspect I speak for the majority of people here when I say that posts like those of Tony's above add nothing to this site; and in all likelihood deter people from continuing to read otherwise informative threads.

I fully expect this book to justify its price tag and its on my shopping list :)




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10 years ago
Just to add that I will certainly be getting it. I very much enjoyed "Gwynedd, Inheriting a Revolution".

What I think is also missed is that there are the economies of scale. Something like a 'Great British Bake Off' book will (for reasons I do not understand) will be a household item, meaning that a production run of many thousands which means that the cost per item to produce is much lower, and a smaller profit margin per item can be considered.

I am no expert of course, but being a specialist book will the production run for this even be over 1000? In any case the production cost per item will be high.
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10 years ago
The basics of putting a book together; editing, typography, layout, etc are pretty much the same so if you print more the cost per book goes down.
Considerably more work in writing pretty much any mining book than a Bake Off type which is just exploitative tat.
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Tamarmole
10 years ago
"AndyC" wrote:

Just to add that I will certainly be getting it. I very much enjoyed "Gwynedd, Inheriting a Revolution".

What I think is also missed is that there are the economies of scale. Something like a 'Great British Bake Off' book will (for reasons I do not understand) will be a household item, meaning that a production run of many thousands which means that the cost per item to produce is much lower, and a smaller profit margin per item can be considered.

I am no expert of course, but being a specialist book will the production run for this even be over 1000? In any case the production cost per item will be high.



The market for high quality books on a specialist subject like mining history is not that large. With my DGC book we did 100 hardbacks and either 400 or 500 softbacks (I forget which). That seems to be a fairly typical print run for this sort of thing. RRP on the hardback is £44 and £25 for the softback; trust me no one is growing rich on that.

somersetminer
10 years ago
I will add, I will not be getting this, as its Welsh (they're strange folk over there :lol: ) and its about slate...
seriously though, for the sort of research that goes into decent mining history books, I figure you are paying for peoples time as much as anything, around £50 is about the norm for these and I think its a bargain (consider the cost of small HB print runs as well)
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10 years ago
"somersetminer" wrote:

I will add, I will not be getting this, as its Welsh (they're strange folk over there :lol: ) and its about slate...
seriously though, for the sort of research that goes into decent mining history books, I figure you are paying for peoples time as much as anything, around £50 is about the norm for these and I think its a bargain (consider the cost of small HB print runs as well)



I hope the uplift for hardback is absorbed in production costs, 'cos if paperback will be £25.00 I will get that as it means the kids will have to forgoe fewer meals.
Been injured while at work and are not to blame?

Get over it.
Moorebooks
10 years ago
"AndyC" wrote:

"somersetminer" wrote:

I will add, I will not be getting this, as its Welsh (they're strange folk over there :lol: ) and its about slate...
seriously though, for the sort of research that goes into decent mining history books, I figure you are paying for peoples time as much as anything, around £50 is about the norm for these and I think its a bargain (consider the cost of small HB print runs as well)



I hope the uplift for hardback is absorbed in production costs, 'cos if paperback will be £25.00 I will get that as it means the kids will have to forgoe fewer meals.



Its only available in Hardback and as far as I am aware no plans for a softback



Mike

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