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LAP
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18 years ago

Are the image results on brief good, as in:- when you keep flashing the flashgun seperatly while walking down the chamber/tunnel without giving off any light yourself.
At mo my flashgun hastn got the sensor, which detects another flash so would this method be best? 😞

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Vanoord
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18 years ago

#2

"LAP" wrote:
Are the image results on brief good, as in:- when you keep flashing the flashgun seperatly while walking down the chamber/tunnel without giving off any light yourself.
At mo my flashgun hastn got the sensor, which detects another flash so would this method be best? 😞

Must admit the whole brief thing means not a lot to me...

BUT, you may just be talking about open flash photography? Ie running around like a loon in the dark letting off flashes in order to illuminate a chamber? If so, get someone to cover the lens while you leg it about and that should do the trick.

Better still, watch one of the masters at work - SimonRL or 'The' Miles. I have no flashgun and have a dreadful habit of emitting light while open-flash photographs are being taken. This seems to upset people. I don't know why...

Hello again darkness, my old friend...

LAP
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18 years ago

#3

Yes, basically!
Walking around a chamber with just a small light, and setting off the gun every time you've moved along about 10m. or whatever.
thanks!

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Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
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Vanoord
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18 years ago

#4

"LAP" wrote:
Yes, basically!
Walking around a chamber with just a small light, and setting off the gun every time you've moved along about 10m. or whatever.
thanks!

Two rules then:
1. Get someone to cover the lens when you move around to avoid having odd little trails of light
2. Hide behind stuff when you let the flash off otherwise odd little ghosts appear
3. Spread the light evenly around so you don't get puddles of it

😉

Hello again darkness, my old friend...

LAP
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18 years ago

#5

Ok, thats my dad or I or another of our little gang who will be keeping the lens on.
So basically, I clamp it down on brief put it on a tripod, and wonder round the chamber, and when I reach a suilible location, I say "remove the lens cap", turn off my light and take a pic and flash and keep doing this evenly spread. Keeping out of the shot so I'm not duplicated!
Thanks!

I'll try it next time I visit somewhere.

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Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Vanoord
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18 years ago

#6

Don't bother putting the lens cover back on - that'll knock the camera and you'll have lovely wrecked pics. A hand held over the lens *but not touching the camera* is the best bet.All you have to do is to stop the light from whoever is walking about getting in - it doesn't need total darkness.

The side effect is that anyone behind the camera needs to extinguish their lights - if you're holding a hand in front of the lens, it will get lit up by lights behind the camera and wreck the pics.

This here pic - http://www.aditnow.co.uk/photo/Moel-Fferna-Slate-Mine-29-05-2006-Image-024/ is an example of covering the lens in between someone legging it around to flash and wave torches about. iirc it's about a two and a half minute exposure.

Hello again darkness, my old friend...

LAP
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18 years ago

#7

Thanks a'lot for the info.
That pic wasn't too bad, compared to some of my dad's!
http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/view_picture_from_member.asp?id=6293

http://www.cumbriaphoto.co.uk/professional/previewdisplay.cfm?imageid=3181

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Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Vanoord
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18 years ago

#8

"LAP" wrote:
Thanks a'lot for the info.
That pic wasn't too bad, compared to some of my dad's!
http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/view_picture_from_member.asp?id=6293

http://www.cumbriaphoto.co.uk/professional/previewdisplay.cfm?imageid=3181

Nice pic that second one, but I guess it shows the light trails perfectly - that's a nice touch, but if you want to get rid of it the lens can be covered.

The pic Simon took in Moel Fferna is of an absolutely massive chamber - no way of lighting it from one point, so lens covering is a must to avoid ghostly people - like this one http://www.aditnow.co.uk/photo/Moel-Fferna-Slate-Mine-28-08-2006-Image-014/

Hello again darkness, my old friend...

LAP
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18 years ago

#9

Thanks - see what you mean!
One other thing:- with D cameras with internal flash - would it be a good idea to use a powerful lamp used by another member further up the tunnel, as those flashes r only really good for close ups?
thanks. 😉

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Vanoord
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18 years ago

#10

"LAP" wrote:
Thanks - see what you mean!
One other thing:- with D cameras with internal flash - would it be a good idea to use a powerful lamp used by another member further up the tunnel, as those flashes r only really good for close ups?
thanks. 😉

I suspect this brings you to 'suck it and see' territory. In some situations that might work, in some it might not. Different situations require different techniques - experimentation is the way forwards...

Hello again darkness, my old friend...

LAP
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18 years ago

#11

Yes, when I might visit Hodge Close tommorow I will try it out!
My get my Grandad to take a camera as well! 🙂

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Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
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Barney
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18 years ago

#12

Don't use the flash on your camera, any flash gun used should ideally be a few feet away. Reason being that all the dust and moisture in the air close to the lens reflect the light and show up as blurred marks on your picture.

ferret
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18 years ago

#13

Contrary to what some people say this can be dun solo, it isn’t so easy though but means you have all the time in the world to experiment without people getting bored ! http://ferret41.googlepages.com/zelskajama2972005.008.jpg

1. Put camera on timer and tripod with something like 30sec exposure
2. Place small torch out of shot but giving enough light to see by
3. Run into shot before timer runs out, then move around quickly firing flash a few times.
4. Wait till shutter closes to walk back to camera
:thumbup:

LAP
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18 years ago

#14

Out of interest how many of u guys use analogue cameras still?? - My dad still uses his sometimes... very good contrast.. and good lighting with open flash. 😉

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Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Barney
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18 years ago

#15

Analogue? would that be 35mm slr?
I still use one, but not underground. Digital is easier to view then retake until you get it right. However, i still dont get it right!

LAP
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18 years ago

#16

I find them much easier for Brief shots etc...

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simonrl
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18 years ago

#17

'Brief' is bulb mode, yes? I.e. where the shutter is open until you release it?

my orders are to sit here and watch the world go by

ferret
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18 years ago

#18

i still use my old pentax SLR for slide photograhy sometimes, it dos's take very good pics left on base in stopes etc. 😉

LAP
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18 years ago

#19

I might try the method in Moss Head chamber with a wide angle lens...
Does anyone think it will work out, if me or someone puts a piece of black card over the lens, while someone runs around like a loony, hiding behind corners, and letting off flashes??
http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/view_picture_hires.asp?id=5872
This is no small chamber. 😉

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Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
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Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

ferret
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18 years ago

#20

yup it should, i've dun some pretty big stuff in the past this way, all you need is a willing helper and some time to get it right!
good luck with it, i look forward to seeing the result 🙂