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royfellows
11 years ago
Looks just like a Croll with embelishments to me.

I would have to try one.
The big question in my mind would be; "Will the rope run easier at the start of the pitch?"
Underlie pitches may look less daunting but are the worse for this.
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Wormster
11 years ago
Looks like it could be a reel PITA come a rebelay or deviation though!
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Tamarmole
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11 years ago
"Wormster" wrote:

Looks like it could be a reel PITA come a rebelay or deviation though!



Looking at it should behave pretty similarly to the croll which means rebelays etc shouldn't be an issue.

The advantage as I see it, apart from the fact that it's a shiney thing, is that the rollers should significantly reduce friction which means, as Roy suggests, rope should run more freely.

Possible downsides: It does not have such a low profile as the croll which could be a real pain in crawls etc. Secondly, how will the rollers perform in mud? Thirdly, cost
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11 years ago
"Tamarmole" wrote:

"Wormster" wrote:

Looks like it could be a reel PITA come a rebelay or deviation though!



Looking at it should behave pretty similarly to the croll which means rebelays etc shouldn't be an issue.

The advantage as I see it, apart from the fact that it's a shiney thing, is that the rollers should significantly reduce friction which means, as Roy suggests, rope should run more freely.

Possible downsides: It does not have such a low profile as the croll which could be a real pain in crawls etc. Secondly, how will the rollers perform in mud? Thirdly, cost



What is the cost?

2ndly I wouldn't worry about space in crawls it isn't as important in a mine, the only place we have done any serious crawling was the mine we visited last week andd that wasnt particuarly tight...?

Mud would concern me though...
Drillbilly.
11 years ago
This is nearly awesome. Sadly, it is crap and here's why.

It's a chest jammer/roller in the croll position. The whole limitation to ropewalking is because of the croll position. You need it higher up. This appears to have been designed by someone who has not actually tried ropewalking with a croll-position roller/jammer. You have to use your hands and this defies the whole point of it.

As a roller/jammer combination, it looks excellent. It is in the wrong position though.

I would be much more keen on crossing that with this:-

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/5727019840_27fac9288d_b.jpg 

by welding it to a bar and then having a bra-ascender.

This would solve the problem of having your knee jammer as your top jammer. (it doesn't sound like a problem until you try it)...... I nearly had an upside-down moment in a shaft developing my ideas!

I would strongly consider buying one and bodging it to a bar. I think it could be a magic bullet.
christwigg
11 years ago
"J25GTi" wrote:

2ndly I wouldn't worry about space in crawls it isn't as important in a mine, the only place we have done any serious crawling was the mine we visited last week andd that wasnt particuarly tight...?



Surely thats entirely dependent on the mines you visit......

:lol:
Tamarmole
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11 years ago
"Drillbilly." wrote:

This is nearly awesome. Sadly, it is crap and here's why.

It's a chest jammer/roller in the croll position. The whole limitation to ropewalking is because of the croll position. You need it higher up. This appears to have been designed by someone who has not actually tried ropewalking with a croll-position roller/jammer. You have to use your hands and this defies the whole point of it.

As a roller/jammer combination, it looks excellent. It is in the wrong position though.

I would be much more keen on crossing that with this:-

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/5727019840_27fac9288d_b.jpg 

by welding it to a bar and then having a bra-ascender.

This would solve the problem of having your knee jammer as your top jammer. (it doesn't sound like a problem until you try it)...... I nearly had an upside-down moment in a shaft developing my ideas!

I would strongly consider buying one and bodging it to a bar. I think it could be a magic bullet.



I must admit I had considered its potential in a rope walking rig. I think it would work in a high position with the right harness - not convinced that welding a bar on is the right way forward.
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11 years ago
I may be interpreting this wrongly, but it looks like the rollers are to reduce edge friction between the rope and the part of the ascender that retains the rope to the cam.

Ie NOT a roller/buggery box.
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11 years ago
"droid" wrote:

I may be interpreting this wrongly, but it looks like the rollers are to reduce edge friction between the rope and the part of the ascender that retains the rope to the cam.

Ie NOT a roller/buggery box.



I think you are right - that said I think it could function as the top attachment point in a ropewalker i.e. function as a roller box even if that was not the manufacturers primary intention.

When I was playing around with rope walking a year or so ago one system I tried was using a croll as the top attachment at shoulder height. The reason I did not persevere was that there was too much friction with the croll in this position - I reckon this new gismo may well solve this problem; just needs some creative thinking.
Roy Morton
11 years ago
All very good, but this looks like the biz.



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NewStuff
10 years ago
"Tamarmole" wrote:

I think you are right - that said I think it could function as the top attachment point in a ropewalker i.e. function as a roller box even if that was not the manufacturers primary intention.



Well, I am about to hit the button on this, so we'll see if it does indeed work as a roller box. Got to love Xmas bonus! Merry Xmas to me 😉
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10 years ago
"NewStuff" wrote:

"Tamarmole" wrote:

I think you are right - that said I think it could function as the top attachment point in a ropewalker i.e. function as a roller box even if that was not the manufacturers primary intention.



Well, I am about to hit the button on this, so we'll see if it does indeed work as a roller box. Got to love Xmas bonus! Merry Xmas to me ;)



Proper Job - let us know how you get on with it.
NewStuff
10 years ago
I'll be using it with a Climbing harness (I prefer it, I know loads of you have palpitations about using one underground, but hey, it's my choice), so the attachment point is higher, and should hopefully reduce the chances of having upside down moments.

It'll get tested extensively at our SRT practice spot, on belay, before it gets used in anger. I'm sure Earthworm Jim will oblige with the piccies, especially if it goes hilariously wrong ;):tongue:
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10 years ago
Look forward to seeing how this works. Any attempts to move this field forward has to be a good thing, even if this device proves not to be the one.

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