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Presumably this occured in the UK as well. Are there any good examples around? Perhaps I've missed them on here if so apologes.
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christwigg
15 years ago
There are some similar beehive coke ovens at East Hedleyhope and Inkerman
http://sine.ncl.ac.uk/view_image.asp?digital_doc_id=1398 

http://www.towlaw.org.uk/bee-hive-coke-ovens.htm 

Assume they are still around but have never visited, which is a shame because we drove within a mile of them both last weekend.
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I'm not aware of charcoal ever having been made in anything other than clamps in the UK, so remains of charcoal burning tend to be slight. Perhaps Peter Burgess or another site member who knows the Weald and/or the Forest of Dean well might know a bit more about what remains of the charcoal industry in those parts.

One thing I'm supposed to be going looking for when shooting season is over is the remains of "white coal" kilns in the woods above Magpie sough tail. White coal was kiln-dried wood used for lead smelting, and as we know there was a smelt mill at Black Rock corner on the A6 from the mid 16th to the late 18th century, there must have been a good supply of fuel from the woodland around.
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A photo from 1891.
Charcoal kilns, the narrows, Chateaugay Lake, [Adirondack Mts., N.Y., small steamer and floating dock in foreground]
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Dean Allison
15 years ago
"christwigg" wrote:

There are some similar beehive coke ovens at East Hedleyhope and Inkerman
http://sine.ncl.ac.uk/view_image.asp?digital_doc_id=1398 

http://www.towlaw.org.uk/bee-hive-coke-ovens.htm 

Assume they are still around but have never visited, which is a shame because we drove within a mile of them both last weekend.



Chris those ones near Esh Winning in your first link are definitley still there.
Graigfawr
15 years ago
Masonry charcoal kilns appear to have been a substantially American development of the nineteenth centuty (e.g. F.Overman 'The Manufacture of Iron, in all its various branches', Philadelphia, 1849, the first comprehensive and widely circulated US work on the industry, does not mention kilns, strongly suggesting that they were not at that time yet commonplace). I have not encountered references to their use in the UK, where heap and clamp charocal burning predominated until the mid and late C19 when iron retorts came into use to collect chemicals that were otherwise wasted (the process of charcoal making then becoming, properly, the destructive distillation of woood to produce chemicals, with charcoal almost a by-product).

There was a wave of closures / conversions of charcoal iron smelting blast furnaces in the last two decades of C18 as coke smelted iron became usable for virtually all uses. The last niche that charocal smelted iron occupied, for a few decades longer, was for high qulaity sheet production, especially tinplate manufacture. The charcoal iron industry was largely confined to the north-western and western fringes of the UK after 1800. Techniques were developed that permitted the use of coke pig as a raw material, further reducing this last niche market for charcoal iron and, save for a handful of well-known furnaces, charocal iron smelting was extinct after the 1820s.

Here is a list of closure dates for those Welsh charcoal iron furnaces that survived after 1800, with their closure dates:

Dyfi (Cardiganshire) probably c.1801; Trosnant (Pontypool) period 1805 to 1831; Tintern period 1806 to 1825; Carmarthen 1821. The last three were connected to tinplate works.

Elsewhere in the UK, well-known late survivors include Duddon (Cumb) 1871; Bonawe (Argyll) 1876; Warash (Hants) 1877; Newland (Lancs) 1890; Backbarrow (Lancs) 1921. Backbarrow was the very last charcoal fuelled iron blast furnace to operate in the UK; it continued to smelt but with coke, until 1966.

References: P.Riden 'A Gazetteer of Charcoal-fired Blast Furnaces in Great Britain in use since 1660', 2nd ed, Cardiff, 1993. P.Riden & J.G.Owen 'British Blast Furnace Statistics 1790-1980', Cardiff, 1995.

Essentially, the UK charcoal iron industry declined too soon to take advantage of masonry kiln charocal making techniques.

The kilns appear to be an adaptation of beehive coke ovens. Beehive ovens appear to have been initially developed in the mid C17 to permit the limited recovery of some charocoal making by-products, mainly tars. Their early application to the cokeing of coal - as opposed to the coking of wood - seems to have been later in the mid C18, but abundant supplies of cheap metallurgical and coking coals resulted in open heap coke making predominating until the mid C19. Curiously, it was the demand for coke for railway locomotives (steam coal burnt too hot and melted the firebars, so in the 1840s and well into the 1850s, coke was the preferred fuel) that stimulated the more widespread adoption of beehive coke ovens and seems to haev lead to the transfer of this technology to the iron smelting industry. With beehive coke ovens for the cokinmg of coal being widespread and standard by the 1860s, it seems that the adoption of similar technology for charcoal making was derived from coke ovens rather than being by direct descent from the C17 masonry wood distillation ovens.

Ref: R.A.Mott (ed) 'The History of Coke Making and of the Coke Oven Managers' Association', Cambridge, 1936.

Although the UK charcoal iron smelting sector did not appear to have made use of masonry kilns, there was widespread use of cast iron horizontal retorts for the destructive distillation of wood to make naptha, acetic acid, methyl acohol, acetone and tar (and many distillation works further processed the acetic acid to produce calcium acetate, lead acetate and sodium acetate). There were many of these organic chemical works scattered around the western and north western wooded regions of the UK; the charcoal they produced was one of the least valuable by-products and found a ready market with the handful of surviving iron smelters still smelting charcoal cast iron, and also with tinplate works as the highest grades of tinplate were made from charcoal re-worked sheet until the 1870s (and even occasionally down to the 1930s). Hende there wee concentrations of these chemical works in the tinplate producing areas of south Wales (Ref: R.A.Craig, R.Protheroe Jones & M.V.Symons 'The Industrial & Maritime History of Llanelli & Burry Port 1750 to 2000, Llanelli, 2002, esp pp.295-310 'Chemical Works').

However, the lion's share of charcoal for smelting use seems to have continued to come from tradtional temporary woodland claamp buring operations right until the the final deminse of demand for this fuel from smelters and tinplate works' iron forges.

A fine study of woodland charcoal production forms part of M.Bowden (ed) 'Furness Iron: the physical remains of the iron industry and related woodland industries of Furness and southern Lakeland', Swindon, 2000.

The C19 importance of charcoal to the US iron industry is pointed up by the earliest Federal statistics for the industry. In 1854 the US smelted 657,000 tons of iron (to the UK's 3.1 million tons), of which 306,000 tons was charcoal iron. The charcoal sector continued to expand, peaking at 628,000 tons in 1890 though by this date its share of total US production was small as 9.2 million tons was produced. As late as 1923, 251,000 tons of charcoal iron was produced. The size of the US charcoal iron sector was a reflection of the immense woodland resources of the country. It is hardly surprising that with the industry so large, different technologies, including masonry charocal kilns, should be tried and adopted whereas the UK charocal iron industry had dwindled to unimportance long before.
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15 years ago
Many thanks for your very comprehensive post Graigfawr. :thumbsup:
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Peter Burgess
15 years ago
In the Weald I have seen charcoal burning in circular iron kilns which are carried from one wood to another, I suppose as the burners (or "colliers") find suitable woodland and amenable owners to operate. The circular iron kilns can be dismantled and carried from place to place on a trailer or truck. This method replaced the traditional earth clamp type kiln that used to be built, some decades ago. I have a good book about colliers and charcoal burning. Norwood in South London was once a good place for colliers to work, Norwood being a corruption of "North Wood" (being north of Croydon). Colliers Wood in South London is another dead give away place name.
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A brief history and significance of the Frisco Kilns.

The five beehive Frisco Charcoal Kilns, built in 1877 by the Frisco Smelting Company, are significant as among the few remaining charcoal kilns in the state of Utah that retain much of their visual integrity, and help to document the state's early mining history. The structures, three of which are nearly intact, were constructed of granite float in the form of a parabolic dome, and are significant remnants of Utah's charcoal industry, as well as excellent examples of the engineering techniques of kiln construction. The Frisco kilns were among the earliest built, and excluding several kilns that may exist high in the mountains near Frisco, are the best remaining in the state of Utah. In addition, they are the best documented kilns of any in the state.

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