danswift
4 years ago
Is there a footpath nearby? What is the best approach to the mine as I know the farmers in the area are very proactive with 'wanderers' :lol: looks like a good little place to introduce my lad to some underground stuff.
BertyBasset
4 years ago
Just go up the zig zag track from Tan-y-clogwyn Cottages. It's marked on the map as an 'other route with public access'. Then there's a nice track that skirts all the way around anti-clockwise around the hill with good views. It's not a right of way, but I've never had a problem up there, and if the landowner challenges you, just be courteous.

There's a hill fort up there as well, which I've always fancied having a look at, but there's a bog, tall wall in the way.
Whitnall55
4 years ago
I actually drove up ??

It’s a public byway, aslong as you don’t any further than where the mine is as the track has long gone
danswift
4 years ago
This is why I asked actually as last time I went up I drove up (not knowing there was a mine there, I wanted to see if I could drive to the top Aber car park) my land ranger map says its a byway but at the top I was confronted by a farmer in a golf caddy type thing and he said I shouldn't be there :lol: so just wondered if there was a walking option :thumbsup:
JohnnearCfon
4 years ago
"danswift" wrote:

This is why I asked actually as last time I went up I drove up (not knowing there was a mine there, I wanted to see if I could drive to the top Aber car park) my land ranger map says its a byway but at the top I was confronted by a farmer in a golf caddy type thing and he said I shouldn't be there :lol: so just wondered if there was a walking option :thumbsup:



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robnorthwales
4 years ago
"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

"danswift" wrote:

This is why I asked actually as last time I went up I drove up (not knowing there was a mine there, I wanted to see if I could drive to the top Aber car park) my land ranger map says its a byway but at the top I was confronted by a farmer in a golf caddy type thing and he said I shouldn't be there :lol: so just wondered if there was a walking option :thumbsup:



It doesn't matter what HE says, if it is a RoW it is a RoW! End of!!!!:guns:



Pretty certain that the trackway concerned is NOT a BOAT (byway open to all traffic), or actually a public right of way at all - it is a private track, and no legal right of use to the public.

Gwynedd council's definitive map :

https://www.gwynedd.llyw.cymru/en/Residents/Parking-roads-and-travel/Public-Rights-of-Way/Public-Rights-of-Way.aspx 
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danswift
4 years ago
It's an ORPA (other route with public access) And these often have vehicular rights, but yes, it would be best to confirm first via the council.

Road from Tan y Clogwyn Cottage passing Bod Silyn to Cydgoed
Town: Abergwyngregyn
Street Type : Unclassified

You can see its highlighted blue on the map, out of interest I have contacted the council to see if there is a vehicular right of way on it :thumbsup:

robnorthwales
4 years ago
"danswift" wrote:

It's an ORPA (other route with public access) And these often have vehicular rights, but yes, it would be best to confirm first via the council.

Road from Tan y Clogwyn Cottage passing Bod Silyn to Cydgoed
Town: Abergwyngregyn
Street Type : Unclassified

You can see its highlighted blue on the map, out of interest I have contacted the council to see if there is a vehicular right of way on it :thumbsup:



Ahh, I was thinking you meant the trackway close to the adit - it appears you mean the trackway 'round the back' of the hill.

Apologies for any confusion

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Whitnall55
4 years ago
The track is on TW2 maps, and it says to only use the North part now and not the south.

TWUID: SH6671-02

From the Green Lane association :-

Quote:

The southern section of this route, there is no sign of the route on the ground. Please avoid. Or only drive from the North, to the intersection with the second footpath (Bont Newydd).

JohnnearCfon
4 years ago
"Whitnall55" wrote:

The track is on TW2 maps, and it says to only use the North part now and not the south.

TW2????

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"JohnnearCfon" wrote:

"Whitnall55" wrote:

The track is on TW2 maps, and it says to only use the North part now and not the south.

TW2????



TrailWise2. Its a digital way of walking or driving Greenlanes, Byways, UCRs, RUPPs etc and recording them. You need a beard, camouflage clothing and a LandRover Discovery with the bumpers cut off for the system to work correctly :lol:


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Whitnall55
4 years ago
Or a reliable little Jimny :lol:
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"Whitnall55" wrote:

Or a reliable little Jimny :lol:



Agree! You've got to have a bit of style. ;)


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Paul Marvin
4 years ago
"BertyBasset" wrote:

I was out running with a colleague tonight on the hills above Aber and Llanfairfechan. Coming back I saw some spoil and a fenced area, so went down to investigate. It was a large adit, a good 6' x 6' and perfectly square in cross section. I had my trainers on, so didn't venture in (which maybe I should have in retrospect), There was a small area of spoil outside, but the adit itself appears to go a good 100' and further judging from standing outside. The rock is vaguely slate-ish with no obvious signs of mineralisation. Grid refrerence is SH 6662 7281, marked as 'tip' on the 1:25,000 map. Any ideas?

Trainers or not I would have had a nosey . :thumbup:


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4 years ago
"BertyBasset" wrote:

I was out running with a colleague tonight on the hills above Aber and Llanfairfechan. Coming back I saw some spoil and a fenced area, so went down to investigate. It was a large adit, a good 6' x 6' and perfectly square in cross section. I had my trainers on, so didn't venture in (which maybe I should have in retrospect), There was a small area of spoil outside, but the adit itself appears to go a good 100' and further judging from standing outside. The rock is vaguely slate-ish with no obvious signs of mineralisation. Grid refrerence is SH 6662 7281, marked as 'tip' on the 1:25,000 map. Any ideas?

Robin



It's possibly quite recent as it doesn't appear on any of the 6" maps up to 1953.

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danswift
4 years ago
With regards to the access it seems not even the council are sure if there is vehicle rights or not, here is the reply I got.

Thank you for your e-mail regarding the route near Tan y Clogwyn cottages. This particular route is recorded as an “unclassified road” on our records.

By implication, an unclassified road (or UCRs as we call them) carries public motorised vehicular rights though we would stress that this is not always the case. Indeed, the term UCR is a source of much confusion. I will attempt to explain the position as best I can.

The term “unclassified road” was created by the Local Government Act 1929 and there has been much debate over what the term actually means! It appears that all that can be deduced from the term is that an UCR is a highway maintainable at public expense other than an “A road”, “B road” or “third class road”. However, it should be noted that the term “road” does not necessarily mean that such routes provide public access for motor vehicles.

Where a road is maintained and used as a general motor road by ordinary traffic, has a sealed surface, road signs and white lines (for instance an “A road” such as the A470), its status (as a motor road) is unlikely to be at issue. The uncertainty as regards status lies at the other end of the spectrum, in particular, UCRs which do not have a sealed surface and those which are not used as a general motor road by ordinary traffic. We believe that the UCR near Tan y Clogwyn cottages falls into this latter category and, as far as we are aware, any motorised use of this route is probably limited to the landowners or those with private access rights.

As regards access to Maes y Gaer hillfort, the hillfort itself is part of the Coedydd Aber National Nature Reserve and we believe it is in the ownership of Natural Resources Wales. Please note, however, that land to the east of Maes y Gaer hillfort is private and permission would be required to cross such land. Information regarding landownership can be found on the Land Registry website.

I hope this information is of some help to you.
robnorthwales
4 years ago
"danswift" wrote:

With regards to the access it seems not even the council are sure if there is vehicle rights or not, here is the reply I got.

Thank you for your e-mail regarding the route near Tan y Clogwyn cottages. This particular route is recorded as an “unclassified road” on our records.

.........................

I hope this information is of some help to you.



A brilliant way of saying "Erm, not sure", in 500+ words !
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ChrisJC
4 years ago
Just thinking about this tunnel, are we sure it is a mine?

It is at the top of the hill.
There is no evidence of extraction.
It is modern, so why drive a huge tunnel when you could just drill from above.

I am surprised nobody can remember it!

Maybe it is cold war related, or another experiment like the one at Parc.

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"ChrisJC" wrote:

Just thinking about this tunnel, are we sure it is a mine?

It is at the top of the hill.
There is no evidence of extraction.
It is modern, so why drive a huge tunnel when you could just drill from above.

I am surprised nobody can remember it!



I would suggest WWII might be a better bet, N Wales was quite 'busy' during WWII.

(Total speculation - ammunition store for anti-aircraft guns?)
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