JohnnearCfon
18 years ago
Yes, it has been owned by Greaves (along with Votty) since 1975.
scooptram
18 years ago
coz its mostly listed :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well, the rock face isnt :lol:
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Vanoord
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18 years ago
Anyway, back on topic ;)

Is there any progress with the potential sale of McAlpine slate?

Anyone have any thoughts or hints as to why a buyer might be?

For my part, I hope that it will be someone who keeps all the quarries working: the slate industry built the north Wales we know today and it would be a terrible loss if it vanished completely. Whilst we can argue about destruction of our history until we're blue in the face (and admittedly, some recent actions have not been kind to our heritage), there's no reason a living, beathing slate industry can't site alongside the historic remains.
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Manicminer
18 years ago
I have heard that it's the shareholders that want to sell the quarries. They also want to sell other bits of McAlpines in other parts of the Country.
The shares used to be worth about £6 each and they fell to about £4 when the news broke about the missing £24M. They want to trim the company down to gain value on their shares.
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17 years ago
From the BBC news site in the last few days:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7174804.stm 

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Quarry future 'very optimistic'

The new owners of four fraud-hit slate quarries in Gwynedd say they are "very confident and very optimistic" about the future of the business.

Rigcycle bought the former Alfred McAlpine Welsh Slate businesses for £31m on 24 December last year.

The 220 workers at Bethesda, Blaenau Ffestiniog and the Nantlle Valley have been told their jobs are safe.

McAlpine had uncovered what it described as "clear and systematic fraud" in the business in 2007.

Managing director of the Gwynedd quarries, Alan Smith, said the company was temporarily trading as Rigcycle, but the name would soon be changed to Welsh Slate.

'Good news'

"I'm very optimistic for the future and delighted with how the workforce has knuckled down and worked over the past months.

"Fundamentally this is a good business and I expect that there will be a profit in 2008," he added.

***** McNaught, the Transport and General workers union official in Gwynedd welcomed the news that everybody currently employed was being kept on under the same terms and conditions by the new company.

"It is good news as it secures the business for the area," he said.


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simonrl
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16 years ago
Latest from the Beeb on this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7711033.stm 

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Court proceedings are being brought against three former directors of the Welsh Slate company in Gwynedd.

Former managing director Christopher Law, 43, ex-sales director Paul Harvey, 51, and ex-operations director Geraint Roberts, 57, are accused of falsifying sales figures.

Mr Law is also charged with forgery and a separate fraud.

The three are on conditional bail and will appear before Caernarfon magistrates on 12 November.

The charges were brought after a joint investigation by the Serious Fraud Office and North Wales Police.

Alfred McAlpine plc - which owned Welsh Slate at the time - reported to the stock market on 26 February 2007 findings by its internal audit team.

Welsh Slate was sold in December 2007 to Rigcycle, and continues to trade at Penrhyn Quarry near Bangor under new management.

Alfred McAlpine plc merged with Carillion plc in February.


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Vanoord
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16 years ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/8040648.stm 

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Two slate directors admit fraud

Two former directors of Alfred McAlpine Slate Ltd, known as Welsh slate, have admitted charges of fraudulent trading. Former managing director Christopher Law, 52, and ex-operations director Geraint Roberts, 57, admitted falsifying sales figures.

Mold Crown Court heard that both misled Alfred McAlpine plc about the amount of sales achieved by Welsh Slate. A third man, ex-sales director Paul Harvey, 52, denies the charge and his case has been adjourned.

The judge heard that between January 2004 and February 2008, as well as sales already received, Law and Roberts misled Alfred McAlpine plc about the value of potential future sales to the total of £5m.

North Wales Police and the Serious Fraud Office carried out a joint investigation into the case. Financial investigations under the Proceeds of Crime Act will now take place in the case of Law, from Llanberis, and Roberts from Betws-yn-Rhos.

The court heard there was no suggestion that the crime was carried out for personal gain, but rather to create the illusion that sales targets had been met from their Gwynedd quarries. All three men have been given bail.

Welsh Slate was sold in December 2007 to Rigcycle, and continues to trade at Penrhyn Quarry near Bangor under new management. Alfred McAlpine plc merged with Carillion plc in February.


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merddinemrys
16 years ago
"simonrl" wrote:

From the BBC news site in the last few days:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7174804.stm 

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***** McNaught, the Transport and General workers union official in Gwynedd welcomed the news that everybody currently employed was being kept on under the same terms and conditions by the new company.



:offtopic: Why has the naughty word finder blacked out Paddy?
simonrl
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16 years ago
"merddinemrys" wrote:

"simonrl" wrote:

From the BBC news site in the last few days:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7174804.stm 

Quote:



***** McNaught, the Transport and General workers union official in Gwynedd welcomed the news that everybody currently employed was being kept on under the same terms and conditions by the new company.



:offtopic: Why has the naughty word finder blacked out Paddy?



Ah that would be 'cos back then the naughty word finder was rather strict. I used the same set of words as I'd used on various web projects for eduction, public sector and TV, and they all had very strict word filters. Have slackened it up a bit now 🙂
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rhychydwr
16 years ago
Am I allow to say Scunthorpe?
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grahami
16 years ago
"rhychydwr1" wrote:

Am I allow to say Scunthorpe?


As the one responsible for the work email filter, I would say "yes" - but it depends what other works you put with it in the same sentence - the weekend's crop of spam in included forty three different ways of saying increase your male primary characteristic - and no, they didn't use that one!

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simonrl
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16 years ago
Third director found guilty:

Quote:

A third man has pleaded guilty to fraudulent trading in a case involving former bosses of Alfred McAlpine Slate Ltd - known as Welsh Slate.

At Caernarfon Crown Court former sales director Paul Michael Harvey, 52, of Blexley in Kent, admitted the offence between January 2004 and February 2007.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/8085772.stm 
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Vanoord
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16 years ago
From the Beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/8263257.stm :

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Three former executives of a slate firm in north Wales have been sent to prison for overstating production and sales figures up to £15m.

Christopher Law, Geraint Roberts and Paul Harvey, admitted fraudulent trading at Bethesda's Welsh Slate - formerly Alfred McAlpine plc.

The Serious Fraud Office said that 44% of the firm's reported debtors were fiction.

Law was jailed for 30 months, Roberts got 16 months and Harvey will serve 10.

An example of the deception included showing auditors a stockpile of crates of roofing slate; the outer crates full but the inner crates empty.

Customer letters were created to give the impression that debtors' payments were in the pipeline, delivery notes and transportation invoices for non-existent consignments were forged.

The Serious Fraud Office acknowledged that the purpose of the fraud was not to directly enrich the defendants but to convey to the main board of McAlpine that it was more successful than it was.

Following the case, historian and archaeologist Dr David Gwyn said the slate industry was costly with lots of competition.

"You could argue that the slate industry of Wales is the barometer of the building industry," he said.

"You could argue that the building industry is the barometer of the economy, and how much money there is in the economy is reflected in the amount of new build.

"So it is quite clear that the slate industry is faced with a very difficult period," he added.


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Gwyn
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16 years ago
Their behaviour was and remains, deeply offensive...
very, very deeply offensive...
simonrl
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16 years ago
"Gwyn" wrote:

Their behaviour was and remains, deeply offensive...
very, very deeply offensive...



Agreed.

I can't help but think that quote from Dr David Gwyn could have done with better clarification on the part of whoever wrote that article. Certainly the quote is absolutely correct, slate production is facing a difficult future, but in light of this fraud case, the fraud dates back to 2004 which was boom time for the construction industry.
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simonrl
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15 years ago
A further update on the McAlpine / Penrhyn Quarry - Sale / Fraud case

From the Beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/8528741.stm 

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Three former slate managers of Alfred McAlpine slate quarries in Gwynedd have been ordered to pay almost £250,000 under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

Christopher Law, 54, Geraint Roberts, 58, and Paul Harvey, 52, were all jailed for their part in a £10m fraud by inflating sales figures.


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Gwyn
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15 years ago
There's a bit of contradiction here.
The report says that the Court was told [by whom?] that the fraud was not designed to enrich the defendants directly.....
Yet Law had benefited by £406,023.23. Odd. Maybe equally as odd is the 23 pence!!
Cold comfort for the workers that were layed off.
AndyC
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15 years ago
Am I right in saying that the three seem - after repaying costs - to still be in profit?

While 126 good men have lost their livelihood.

I had not realised so many had lost their jobs through this. In my mind that is a far, far greater crime than the financial gain itself.

It leaves a very, very bitter taste in the mouth.
Been injured while at work and are not to blame?

Get over it.
hymac580c
15 years ago
How on earth did they make such a large ammount of personal profit from it all then? I thought it was supposed to make the company look as if they had sold more slates than the did.
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