Hi,
I have been looking through old cupboards over New Year (as you do) and have come upon a booklet entitled " A Geevor Miners Tale" by Ian Davey. It's 12 double sided A5 pages with some illustrations.
I'd like to scan it and put it in the archives as a .pdf but don't know how I stand about copyright.
It's not dated and doesn't have any publisher information. From the best of my memory I assume I bought it from Geevor or from St. Just and it would be well over twenty years ago.
Any advice appreciated.

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Without permission of the copyright holder (author, publisher etc.) you can't make a full copy unless if the author has been dead for more than 70 years (there is a bit more to time limits than that but for purposes of this thread...). If the work is in copyright under fair uses you can copy a portion of a publication/work for private uses only, a rule of thumb could be a chapter or 5% whichever is the lesser, without recourse to the copyright holder. Crown Copyright material is slight different - such as in the case of ex-NCB/BCC material.

When it comes to preservation of material it was possible under library privilege to make a full hard copy. There has been talk of late through the Intellectual Property Office (UK government) of also allowing museums, archives etc. of being able to do this digitally - however this copying would only be allowed within the institution internally for preservation purposes only not for release to the public, so ensuring a copy is available in the future while still preserving the commercial value to the copyright holder. I need to check if this has actually been agreed.

There is a very good and brief guide to copyright available from The National Archives via http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/copyright-related-rights.pdf 

Hi Darran - you seem to know some useful stuff there. Regarding the preservation of information digitally for archives, you say not for release to the public, but how would it stand (assuming the rule has been agreed) if it were made available on a society website in a members only area - i.e. if a society arranged for a copy to be made, would all members be entitled to see the information as long as it was not visible to the wider public?

Found a reference to the guy giving a tour to a Rugby team in 2010 so a good chance he's still around to ask for permission.

Squad Visit Geevor Tin Mine
August 10th 2010

The Cornish Pirates squad recently visited Geevor mine, near Pendeen, which provided them with a fascinating insight into Cornwall's industrious past.
Former miner Ian Davey was the tour guide who explained the whole process of mining and extracting tin, at what is now the Duchy's largest preserved mining site, also accompanying the squad was another former Geevor miner and stalwart Pirate, John Gendall,

Hi Darran - you seem to know some useful stuff there. Regarding the preservation of information digitally for archives, you say not for release to the public, but how would it stand (assuming the rule has been agreed) if it were made available on a society website in a members only area - i.e. if a society arranged for a copy to be made, would all members be entitled to see the information as long as it was not visible to the wider public?

As soon as I written that I had a feeling this question would come up 😉 one of the conditions is that institutions will only be able to digitally preserve (copy) items that already exist physically in their collection. To comply with that means phyically collecting (there are storage and display implications with that for a start) and having AN on some sort of institutional footing beyond what it is currently (I assume).

The only other thing I did wonder is the booklet still being sold at Geevor and therefore raising funds for the museum. I can't speak for them obviously but if I were them I'd probably rather like everyone to but a copy to grow the coffers than have a digital copy floating around for free (how many registered AN members have a Cornish mining history interest?), I'm sure Bill L will be along at some point! I'm saying this with a museum hat on, rather than as an AN member, but don't wish to offend anyone whoose making an effect to preserve knowledge for the furture...its just that's every penny counts in the museum game... :surrender:

I should add that if a request, on the basis of Chris's detective work, is allowed much of what I've said is redundant!!!

This says he is still a guide at Geevor mine so maybe a phone call is all it would take ?

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17670225-a-geevor-miner-s-tale 

Hi,
I have been looking through old cupboards over New Year (as you do) and have come upon a booklet entitled " A Geevor Miners Tale" by Ian Davey. It's 12 double sided A5 pages with some illustrations.
I'd like to scan it and put it in the archives as a .pdf but don't know how I stand about copyright.
It's not dated and doesn't have any publisher information. From the best of my memory I assume I bought it from Geevor or from St. Just and it would be well over twenty years ago.
Any advice appreciated.

You should definitely not scan it. This is a fairly recent publication and I'm sure it is still on sale at Geevor.

Instead of effectively stealing someone else's work why not tell everybody what an interesting little book it is (there are actually two volumes) and suggest they buy their own copies by mail order from Geevor?

The author died quite recently.

In my estimation, getting an electric copy merely spurs people onto getting a paper copy.

The only thing I don't mind electric copies of are maps and plans.

I would always make a point of keeping everything "registered users only" to avoid any large scale upset, hand wringing and thinking of the children.

Laws aside, I don't think a copy (perhaps watermarked) is going to cause loss to the seller. I suppose you could also say "What would Ian have wanted"

(I'm not trolling BTW)

................ to avoid any large scale upset, hand wringing and thinking of the children.

He's back!
:lol:

and there was I thinking he had been kidnapped by yogurt weavers while out surfing sewage...... and the SAS something to do with it?
Im getting old.

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Hi,
I have been looking through old cupboards over New Year (as you do) and have come upon a booklet entitled " A Geevor Miners Tale" by Ian Davey. It's 12 double sided A5 pages with some illustrations.
I'd like to scan it and put it in the archives as a .pdf but don't know how I stand about copyright.
It's not dated and doesn't have any publisher information. From the best of my memory I assume I bought it from Geevor or from St. Just and it would be well over twenty years ago.
Any advice appreciated.

You should definitely not scan it. This is a fairly recent publication and I'm sure it is still on sale at Geevor.....(edit)


The author died quite recently.

I'm very sad that Ian Davey has recently died. I had hoped to be able to make contact with him regarding his writing.
In fairness at no point did I say that I was proposing that I scan it without the copyright owner's permission.
To be accused of wanting to steal his work is a bit strong ! 🙂

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Roy, I am back, but since I do related work, it's best that my old internet username and high profile nonsense got quietly forgotten about.

I am here to add to constructive debate, general chatter and say very little about specific sites, projects I may have been involved with, people I've been involved with, or access, trips, etc, etc. I had been quiet but was lured back by the "north jane discussion". I couldn't help myself.

Anyway, onwards....in a conservative and respectful manner.

Roy, I am back, but since I do related work, it's best that my old internet username and high profile nonsense got quietly forgotten about.

I am here to add to constructive debate, general chatter and say very little about specific sites, projects I may have been involved with, people I've been involved with, or access, trips, etc, etc. I had been quiet but was lured back by the "north jane discussion". I couldn't help myself.

Anyway, onwards....in a conservative and respectful manner.

It's strange that knowing so much about North Jane you didn't recognise it when it was masquerading as Nangiles!

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I thought that was a good debate.

There are several pictures of Nangiles engine house before the 1960s tip and they are similar-ish.

I always insist on seeing an argument through because I am particularly dedicated to the potential of a glorious online victory. I will get down there and I will photograph the site and I will prove one way or another who was right.

You win on the Nangiles one, but I am still confident about the site of the engine house. If you win, then that's fine also and I might concede a bit of internet pride! :lol:

:thumbup:

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