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Just a thought, if anyone gets access be sure to check that SWW have totaly abandond it's use there!

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stuey
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12 years ago
"lozz" wrote:

Hi Stuey, that isn't the location of the shaft that I originally refered to, it's further East. However where you have highlighted does look like a another shaft position on the Trenwith workings.

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******. Can you give me a flashearth link for it?

1. Go to flashearth.
2. Get the + on the place.
3. Click "permanent link" on the left side of the screen.
4. Copy and paste the thing which looks like this:-

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.208964&lon=-5.487766&z=17&r=27&src=msl 

I gather that according to a couple of the local mining chaps, there is a launderette which has a laddered shaft under the floor into St Ives Consols.

It's all exciting stuff!

Edit. Does this make any sense?

NB:- Shaft positions are very approx. Reference points I used may have changed!

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lozz
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12 years ago
Stuey, I'm totaly u/s at copying stuff believe me, never mind I will explain from the earth shot you posted earlier (the one that was annotated)

Get that shot back on google earth, you are on the correct road which is called The Burrows, follow that road to the East until you see a mini roundabout, a few yards North of that roundabout is a largish detached building, to the left of it is a long car parking strip, a few yards off the NE corner of that building was where the shaft was/is. There are 2 or 3 google earth images taken over the years for that same exact location, get the earliest one up, it clearly shows a small rectangular building just a few yards from the main building it is in that small building that I believe the shaft was.
Let us know how you get on.

Lozz.
lozz
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12 years ago
RE: your edit Stuey, it's Old Sump as marked on your map/photo.

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stuey
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12 years ago
So, it looks like Old Sump shaft according to what I reckon.

This means several things to me. It is probably quite a big shaft as it's an engine shaft, but if it is early, it might be rather big, as opposed to massive. I imagine it's at least 8ft x 6ft. This would perhaps suggest that they laddered down one side of it. Dines says adit is at 22F, so with our level 10F or so down, it could be quite interesting.

However, there is an outside chance that it's an unrecorded (and I'm talking partially out of my ar$e here, but mainly down to experience with other holes and plans) shaft pair. Sometimes, rather than having an engine shaft which did everything, they sometimes had another footway or winding shaft as a pair. Given the lack of other shafts on the plan (adit shafts) it might be the case.

The old men did odd things.

If it is old sump. It will go to stuff 100%.

lozz
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12 years ago
Stuey, I can't remember wether that shaft was round or square but as far as my memory serves me the ladders were on the North wall/side of the shaft, the door on the block building was also on the North wall of the building so far as I remember, according to the councils website a load of decking was put round the dwelling house so it could well be under there, because of the sloping ground on that site the decking would be quite high up with reference to ground level.

Lozz (Edit: There are various plans/sections etc at CRO)
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12 years ago
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Having another look at a photo of a plan which someone showed me a while ago which cannot be reproduced for obvious reasons, it appears that Old Sump may be a twin shaft. This is the most detailed section I have seen and the distances are right. Stoping in Yellow. All shafts apart from Wills and the 2 adit shafts continue below adit. Old Sump is 44meters to adit (ish).

Anyway, that's pretty much all I've got to say on the matter!
royfellows
12 years ago
It seems that the one I called Dales is actually Old Sump, I wonder where I got the idea it was Dales?
Anyway, I am salivating over all this.

Trenwith Upper Adit. I looked around there some years ago and seem to remember in someone’s garden under the British Legion?
I only looked across the chaps lawn, what is there to actually see if anything?

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12 years ago
Berrimans Shaft used to be called Adit shaft. It was renamed after a chap called Berriman met his end there.
poke around long enough and you'll find something..
lozz
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12 years ago
On the oldmaps website there is a 1971 map, the dwelling which was then a pump house can clearly be seen and along side it is the small shaft house so all in all it looks like we know where it is now for sure.

Lozz.
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12 years ago
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Looking at Google Earth. It's still there.

Sadly my landline is down until the 21st. So I've sent them an email with a request of having a look. I'm down that way tomorrow and so I might pop in and have a yap. If it goes, I'll report back and get a proper trip together. Got to act quick my gas meter only has a 10 days of calibration on it! Following nearly snuffing it in a poorly ventilated mine, I reckon this is one for the meter.
lozz
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12 years ago
The easiest way to get there is to get to downtown St Ives and turn left at the bottom of tregenna hill, that will take you up past the square and up the stennack, the burrows is on the left at the second mini roundabout on the upper stennack where the convienience store is, you can park up further along the burrows where the leisure center is, straight opposite the roundabout on the burrows road is that house, you can't miss it. Running along side that plot is a public footpath that takes you back down on to the stennack you should be able to get a view from that path. If you decide to ask the owner then PM me and I will give you a couple of details about an introduction to smooth the way.

Lozz.
lozz
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12 years ago
A couple of old photo shots of Trenwith Mine, St Ives:

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Trenwith_Mine 

Lozz.
stivesconsols
12 years ago
I believe Old Sump Shaft now lies under the decking constructed in front of 'Victory Heights', the house converted from an old Water Board building some years ago.

The main shafts of Trenwith Mine are Wills, Victory, Berrimans, Old Sump (also called Town Shaft), Allotment Shaft and Dales Shaft. There is also an unnamed shaft at Trenwith Terrace. (It opened up some years ago in someone's kitchen!). In order to supply St. Ives with a regular supply of water, a submersible pump was installed in Victory Shaft 123 feet below ordnance datum (approx. 383 feet from surface) in 1948. There were also centrifugal pumps installed in Old Sump (Town Shaft), approx. 100 feet from surface. These fed a rising main which transferred water to a reservoir built near Knills Steeple on Worvas Hill in 1932, which supplied water to Carbis Bay and Lelant. A dam and penstock was installed in the deep adit near Dales Shaft. From here water was transferred to supply St. Ives via a 6" gravity main through deep adit which originally emptied behind the Royal Cinema.

Deep adit runs from Rosewall Hill, through the old setts of St. Ives Consols and Trenwith. The only connection between Consols and Trenwith is this deep adit. Shallow adit ran from Rosewall Hill, through Consols and emptied at Nanjivey Terrace, near the British Legion. Launders placed at shallow adit level in Cornish Shaft to convey water over the shaft and through to the Nanjivey portal were found to have broken down by 1948, so all water from shallow adit here descends to deep adit.

Previous to St. Ives Borough Council supplying the town with Trenwith water, they got a supply from the adit at Wheal Allen. The site of this mine, near St. Ives Consols, was marked by a tall, solitary chimney in the fields at Hellesveor. I say "was" because the chimney collapsed into a heap of rubble last week!
lozz
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12 years ago
Yes, I think it's under the decking at that house, it's definately the position of the shaft I peered down when the owner bought the site of South West Water, thanks for the aditional info.

Lozz.
stuey
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12 years ago
I spoke to NJr's mate on mon. Old Sump is plugged.
royfellows
12 years ago
Mr stivesconsols, is there anything to be seen of the Nanjivey Terrace adit please.
As I have posted, I looked some years ago and it seemed to be at the back of someones garden.
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stivesconsols
12 years ago
Not sure about that. I know there is an unnamed shaft (1250 feet from Cornish Shaft) at the rear of the houses at Nanjivey Terrace, presumably plugged. The plan I have has a note by this shaft reading "Steel Pipe put in 1930 by H.E.P." This refers to H.E. Phillips, the St. Ives Borough Surveyor. This plan shows the adit running under Nanjivey Terrace, under the Stennack road and exiting on the other side.
Alasdair Neill
12 years ago
There is a fair collection of plans relating to the establisment of this & other mines in the area for water supply at CRO Truro. Can look out the ref if anyone wishes.
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12 years ago
"agricola" wrote:

re Trenwith adit, I have seen the plans that SWW put in the adit and are held in County Records Office, Truro.

As far as getting in, someone showed me some recent images of the works behind the Cinema, so it might still be possible to get in that way. When I see him next I'll have a quiet word.



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