A small portion of this sign was found in a heap of debris by Rampgill Cross vein....and rescued. It appeared that the sign had been removed through the Norpex gate and then damaged and abandoned. I did not find the rest of the sign. Currently stored at Nenthead.

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http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Personal-Album-1334/Rampgill-shaft-extract.PDF 

To continue the Barneycraig discussion, here is a copy of part of the Rampgill shaft section.

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http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Personal-Album-1334/Rampgill-shaft-extract.PDF

To continue the Barneycraig discussion, here is a copy of part of the Rampgill shaft section.

That's one of the copies I was referring to (you emailed it to me). Out of interest Pete, do you have the rest of this plan or know where it is from?

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The Rampgill shaft section - I have a dyeline copy from the original, and a tracing of the dyeline. The dyeline was a gift from the late Eric Richardson of Nenthead. I don't know where he obtained his copy. As nobody in NE England now seems to dyeline copying i am open to suggestions of how to copy.?

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Good camera, photo piece by piece (prob get away with A3-A2) snaps, and then piece them together - I've done loads like that - dab hand now. :smartass:

If you like Pete, we could meet up at Nent and do it at some point, with any other stuff you would like doing?

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A small portion of this sign was found in a heap of debris by Rampgill Cross vein....and rescued. It appeared that the sign had been removed through the Norpex gate and then damaged and abandoned.

And isn't this just typical?

I think that after all the work that Norpex put in there making the workings accessible, the stripping out of artefacts is abysmal.
Some may say that the removal of minerals is as bad, I dont think so. If there was an opinion poll on the subject of "What do you disapprove of most, the removal of artifacts or the removal of minerals"? I think it would only go one way.

I put in a lot of time reoping mines in central Wales. Typical is Henfwlch where there is a perfect example of an ore barrow, fortunately too large to get out via my access winze.
But a miners pick was removed and relocated to a private collection in Dolgellau.

Anyway, rant over and sorry to take it off thread again.

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The Rampgill shaft section - I have a dyeline copy from the original, and a tracing of the dyeline. The dyeline was a gift from the late Eric Richardson of Nenthead. I don't know where he obtained his copy. As nobody in NE England now seems to dyeline copying i am open to suggestions of how to copy.?

Local Council planning offices often still have dyeline machines, well our council does, they will usually oblige for a modest fee. 🙂

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Personal-Album-1334/Rampgill-shaft-extract.PDF

To continue the Barneycraig discussion, here is a copy of part of the Rampgill shaft section.

I've never seen that one before, is it the one the BGS call SP1522 ?
The date and description seem to match.

Is the level labelled "Quarry Hazle Level" around the horizon of the Barneycraig Horse Level ?

I know I should pick up a book, but was there a connection to the Barneycraig Horse Level via this shaft ?

The VM ab plan shows a connection to the BCHL via RG Shaft.

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16 years of work by Norpex behind locked doors..... Hardly 'opened' Redwinch. Our model of opening Scaleburn Mine on the other hand was free to access for all.

Thats strange, as "access" was through a concealed trapdoor, or am I mistaken

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The VM section?
Find that one a bit troublesome what with it showing Rampgill Vein & Barneycraig Vein as if one is a straight continuation of the other.
Its easy to look at the stopes and think the connection is there for the taking but I struggle to get my head round it.

Yes, VM Section. On the full plan you can see the BCHL running also under RGHL on the RG vein, there is a XC connection between the two.

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There should be several connections between BC Shaft and the boundary though I'm not sure on which horizon they'd be.

Yes, VM Section. On the full plan you can see the BCHL running also under RGHL on the RG vein, there is a XC connection between the two.

Which VM section, i've got five different ones now !!
:lol:

Which VM section, i've got five different ones now !!
:lol:

Some are probably LLC

16 years of work by Norpex behind locked doors..... Hardly 'opened' Redwinch. Our model of opening Scaleburn Mine on the other hand was free to access for all.

Thats strange, as "access" was through a concealed trapdoor, or am I mistaken

Hardly concealed. The 'concealed' trapdoor was simply a top with a little rubble on top to try and stop damage to the top. In the process of digging out the shaft at one point rubble dropped on the work and actually caused significant damage. We used rubble to try and cushion the trapdoor. The shaft was hardly industrial strength. In the end the props started to fail, hence the need for the subsequent dig.
I suppose the 3 armored, locked, reinforced doors NORPEX placed in the Rampgill Horse Level was to ensure that any loose rubble didn't 'dent' their efforts? :lol:

16 years of work by Norpex behind locked doors..... Hardly 'opened' Redwinch. Our model of opening Scaleburn Mine on the other hand was free to access for all.

Thats strange, as "access" was through a concealed trapdoor, or am I mistaken

Oh I just realised!!! If by 'concealed' you mean we put the trapdoor up the steps, through the crawl and at the back of the fall on the level... Well we tried putting the trapdoor somewhere obvious where explorers could find it, but for some reason the shaft needed to be in that obscure spot and not in front of you in the horse level, for that I do apologise!! :angel:

It is 8 years since I was last in Hardshins Vein hence the posting.On that occasion acess to the flat had been made difficult since the almost complete Hopperway/man way seen and used for entry on the previous visit had been completely destroyed. This was the point I was making not some issue with exploitation/exploration!

Look, John and Robert, you have to face up to the fact that whatever you do, however well intentioned, you will not be able to do right in the eyes of some.

As both of you have known me for what, 25 years, what I know about minerals you could put on the back of a postage stamp. OK you have probably been too kind to say that.
Yet believe it or not, I have had the bloody same as you get!
My digging projects.
I once stood for a good half an hour arguing with some brainless idiot at NAMHO who was totally self brainwashed to the extent that he was totally incapable of accepting that the work I do underground was not motivated by bloody minerals.
My point here is this.
Just dont bother with them
I, as many others appreciate what you have (both) done for the mining community. If someone want to denigrate you, just walk away, take no notice. What have you got to gain by allowing yourselves to get wound up by them?
I hope that the admins will allow this posting and not moderate it out, as I seriously want to make my point.

Everthing that I do, from the Mining Journal to my Cwmystwyth initiative is for the benefit of the mining community. Cwmystwyth drew 'Jeremias' out of the woodwork, and while I am on this really rots my socks.
Am I fazed by it, in the words of the imortal John Wayne, " Like hell am I" I just carry and ignore the buggers.

This is the 'strongest' posting I have yet made on any website other than my own, where frankly I can say what I like.

Now having come out with all this, can we all put it to bed and move on?

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Hi Addie
Yes it is me of the fire ladder fame! I trust you have seen my posting correcting your memory errors on the names of the explorers on that photograph?
You will also remember it was my idea to borrow the V.M.ladder to use in our exploration.The photograph,taken by the late John McNeil No 1389 took place in August 1979.
It is fortunate he did so for within the next 2 years this first World War ladder was destroyed.
The photo shows the ladder being returned to it's original place on Brownley Hill Vein.
I hope this acknowledges all who were there two of whom do their exploration on a different plane.