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Roy this is quite similar to The Tuckingmill Decline (S. Crofty) that you posted. Courtesy of Heather Coleman.

United Downs Tunnel. The Tunnel is large enough to drive a lorry down.

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17 years ago
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This is a copy of a printed thumbnail from a 1984 prospectus.
I have some personal shots of the decline I will load up very soon. the entrance was dozed in a few years ago because the place was filling with methane. We took a six gas analyser in there and recorded methane levels to 60% of flashpoint 😮 😮
At one time you could do a through trip from the bottom of Whiteworks Shaft, down the staircase 'The 139 steps' There were indeed 139 0f them!, through the scooptram repair shop, and into the decline and then, after a walk down to the bottom to look at the working face, turn around and head 600m back up the 1:7 hill to the top and do not stop until you reach the pub.
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17 years ago
The picture you have put up Malcolm is definitely Wheal Maid Decline, and the vent pipe, top right, leads into a small stope - very old - with a climb up into further workings heading back over the decline to an old shaft to surface.
I quickly dug this picture out from 1995. This shows the mucking boards and Tag or Tally boards a few feet inside the entrance.
The pic is not as good as the slide, and this one was placed on a lightbox, snapped using a little digi compact and then the mount cropped off in Photoshop.
Where there's a will...Etc.
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Thanks for all that Roy. Very interesting. Need to spend a little time with the plan. Methane levels that high; I would have been out of there. On second thoughts I probably wouldn't have been in there in the first place. I meant to ask you, do you happen to know how old those workings of Mary on Portreath cliffs are?
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That's some interesting info.

I have been poking around United Downs looking at various bits and bobs to go into and the Whiteworks section did sound interesting. Again, the methane levels are a concern. I'm aware of the ability to strip oxygen out of the air of sulphides. I'm curious if United Mines always had low oxygen levels.... From what I gather, the tip has no membrane so water with it's associated organic load percolates through the rock and then rots and releases methane. The methane is about 1/2 the density of air and rises. It would only get caught in upside-down u bends or blocked rises, just like the Wheal Maid Decline. I would expect decent oxygen levels down there unless there are aerobic bacteria digesting the organic load in the water.

Such a massive amount of methane is exceedingly dangerous and there are numerous pathways a initiation reaction could start. If that lot did "go off", you would be looking at some serious damage. My bet is that the methane concentration goes up as you walk UP the tunnel towards the portal. There would be a large section between LEL and HEL.

If it did go off.....I'm not sure what would happen but knowing the ferocity of a 9.4% methane air mix in a ballon, it's quite serious. I would say that there would be some pretty big "unblockings".

Not sounding like some sort of eco-worrier, I would suggest that it was in the interest of safety not to have large and potentially explosive buildups of gas underground. If it did fire, you could have parts of the industrial estate going down holes or flying shaft plugs.

I'm interested in edging towards the united workings and having a look, they are very interesting. I plan to go down coads shaft and have a look around, but I gather that is on the edge of the bad air.

Before I do any of this, I'll get a gas unit.

I personally think united downs dump should be responsible for seeing the workings are adequately ventilated.

Can't remember how far the Wheal Maid Decline went (there are rumours) but I gather some interesting minerals were found in Whiteworks, which I gather has some large stoping indeed. I assume the entrance shaft (whiteworks) is in matey's scrapyard....what was it originally called?

Changing the subject on to Portreath, I climbed up into those workings and they have to be seriously old, same sort of era as Metalwork at Porthtowan, just old mans scrapings. Early/Mid 19th cent? Have found no record. If you stand there and face the sea, about 10 o clock there is a stick out rock which has some man made holes in it. On which locals say was built as a bath for one of the Lady Bassett's looks suspiciously identical to early shaft formats. If you go out of the cave and around to the left, there is another shallow shaft style working. God knows why.

Be interested in any united info.... fascinating place....

The shaft (williams, of the top of my head) which has a bent Clywd cap over a big grid over some dodgy sleepers looks interesting... (In front and down the hill a bit from gwennap stamps) can anyone with a plan say whether there are any levels off it.

It would also be interesting to know if there was any methane issuing from the mouth of that shaft..... It's bloody deep.

Anyway, hope this adds to the interest, stu
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I think the Portreath works may be even earlier. Judging from interior photos of Tehidy House I wouldn’t have thought the Lady Basset’s would have lowered themselves to actually bathing on the beach! Is this the stick of rock you mean?
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17 years ago
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The shaft (williams, of the top of my head) which has a bent Clywd cap over a big grid over some dodgy sleepers looks interesting... (In front and down the hill a bit from gwennap stamps) can anyone with a plan say whether there are any levels off it.

Not too sure where or what shaft you are refering to there Stuey


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17 years ago
All I have in my database is; Wh Mary (Portreath) in Illogan Parish, grid ref (Approx) SW64 653453, working in the period 1853-1857 (No figures) Was worked as a cliff lode.
Thats it I'm afraid, but the fact it was it was in operation over a four year period, maybe not continuously, poits toward there being something of worth having been there. Maybe they used just a hammer and gad and a bit of black powder to keep costs low.
I free climbed from the beach to the top back in the early 70s and didn't see any evidence of drill holes, even hand drilled, but pick marks were certainly in evidence.
I don't think i'd climb it like that now... well, not without a rope 🙂
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17 years ago
Just had a look and that agrees with Heather Coleman SW652/453 1850, 1860 although she adds adit and Shafts??
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The shaft is right there and I think it was the one with the double engine....

Harvey's? William's? Haven't got my books right here.

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.229949&lon=-5.157258&z=19.1&r=22&src=ggl 

You can see the grid in the pic. It is about 70M to water I'd say.
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17 years ago
I'm afraid I can't help Stuey but no doubt Roy will know. As you are aware there are a number of shafts in, say, the Consolidated Mines area and some have Clywd Caps such as Bawden's and Woolf's. The rest of the shafts are Old Sump, Skewes, Michell's Pearce's, Davey's, Job's and Taylor's which I believe was in Wheal Maid. The Google pic. of the area is quite interesting. Well I think so 😉

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17 years ago
What's a "Clywd cap", please?
Might this be a mis-spelling of Clwyd which might be cast into the top of a "man-hole" lid?
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17 years ago
Sorry, I'm diselksic 😉
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17 years ago
So's Carnkie! Is it catching? Cheers, Gwyn. 😉
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You must remember Gwyn that Welsh is my fourth language 🙂 Anyway, a Welsh 'man-hole' lid 😉

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Roy Morton
17 years ago
Very good Stuey but what mine are we talking about ,Tresavean, United, Consols ,Maid????
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I don't think it's the latter two Roy.
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As far as I can make out the shaft is just to the S/E from the point where United road meets Cusgarne Hill. That puts it a little way S/E of Consolidated Mines.
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17 years ago
"carnkie" wrote:

You must remember Gwyn that Welsh is my fourth language 🙂 Anyway, a Welsh 'man-hole' lid 😉

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Lordy, that's an optical illusion of some kind! - it looked at first glance to be a wire bridge headding out across the valley...
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"Vanoord" wrote:

"carnkie" wrote:

You must remember Gwyn that Welsh is my fourth language 🙂 Anyway, a Welsh 'man-hole' lid 😉

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Lordy, that's an optical illusion of some kind! - it looked at first glance to be a wire bridge headding out across the valley...

Now you have said it, I can see it.
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