oildrum
13 years ago
"Morlock" wrote:

A NCB Deputy told me about the hole break detector thingy, he seemed to imply that its use was not routine when firing in coal?



Of course every shot hole was cleaned out and tested for breaks before charging 😉
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13 years ago
The Deputy also said something like "there should be X amount of cable between the shot and the firing position", but the regulation failed to specify that the cable had to be run out off the drum?
staffordshirechina
13 years ago
Another of those wonderful procedures that sound good but in reality would never happen.
I remember once being shown a break detector on the shotfiring course............
oildrum
13 years ago
"staffordshirechina" wrote:

Another of those wonderful procedures that sound good but in reality would never happen.
I remember once being shown a break detector on the shotfiring course............



Comes down to experience and where you're firing. Trouble is once you've pressed the button its too late to find out your mistakes
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Buckhill
13 years ago
We can all laugh about the breaches of Regs that did no harm but they were made for a reason. Failure to test for breaks before charging a hole is in breach of Reg 52(2). The consequences can be serious.

The William Pit disaster of 1947 was caused by the firing of a shot in the roof of a waste (known as a Cuckoo shot). It had not been checked for breaks - there were Regs requiring this before the 1961 ones - and it was charged with a sheathed permitted explosive. It was concluded that (partly due to adiabatic compression) firedamp in a bed-separation cavity had been ignited via a break in the hole before passing to a large gas accumulation in the waste.

As a result of this disaster recommendations were made that the firing of Cuckoo shots be restricted. The 1961 Regs (reg 49) went further and prohibited them. I was told some years ago, by a deputy who had been in one of the rescue teams at William, that when his own pit closed and he transferred to Cannock he found a shotfirer charging a Cuckoo shot "because we've allus done it". 15 years on and still the lesson wasn't learnt - but my old friend soon put him right. There were few shotfirers in Cumberland, and Whitehaven in particular, who had a lax attitude to their job - we even had (and used) a break detector in a private mine which was not otherwise known for much in the way of compliance with Act or Regs.
Ty Gwyn
13 years ago
How did this Break detector work?
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13 years ago
"Ty Gwyn" wrote:

How did this Break detector work?



IIRC a long rod with protruding bit at 90 degrees to the rod end was run down the hole to check for cracks/fissures/de-laminations etc.

Edit: If you Google " shot hole break detector" second page throws up a pdf with a drawing.
Ty Gwyn
13 years ago
A scraper would do the same job i presume.

The pdf would nt come up for some reason.
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13 years ago
Appears to be fitted at the other end of the scraper rod.

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Ty Gwyn
13 years ago
Thanks my friend,

I have a Copper Scraper,i doubt its more than 6mm thickness,will have to fish it out to check,its in the barn somewhere,folded over on itself a few times due to its length.
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13 years ago
First time I've actually seen a photo of the article, fits the description I remember from 45 years ago.
staffordshirechina
13 years ago
Mr C's uncle Roy used to keep a break detector, new ramming stick, new cable and two new powder cans in his main level ready for if the Inspector came. They were hung up on wires like a museum exhibit.
Ty Gwyn
13 years ago
"staffordshirechina" wrote:

Mr C's uncle Roy used to keep a break detector, new ramming stick, new cable and two new powder cans in his main level ready for if the Inspector came. They were hung up on wires like a museum exhibit.




New powder cans,was the supermarket shut?

Always new cables when inspection imminent
Buckhill
13 years ago
Morlock's picture shows the HSE spec. quite well.

The scraper end as shown is a common pattern - the spec. stating that "It is desirable that the scraper attachment should not compise more than half a disc, so as to minimise the risk of its mis-use for charging or stemming".

There was another way of clearing holes - compressed air, a length of metal tube (or alkathene water pipe in long holes) with a valve - much quicker.
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13 years ago
"Buckhill" wrote:

There was another way of clearing holes - compressed air, a length of metal tube (or alkathene water pipe in long holes) with a valve - much quicker.



I can remember drilling a few hols in limestone, probably about 1 3/4 inches diameter by around 4 feet deep. Dust was horrendous. 😉
Buckhill
13 years ago
"MorlockI can remember drilling a few hols in limestone, probably about 1 3/4 inches diameter by around 4 feet deep. Dust was horrendous. wrote:



Remember still the ripper drilling without water pre-dust mask days - cone of dust spilling off helmet onto shoulders, coughing guts up. "Why don't you use water?.."Think I want to catch my *^&$£$% death o' pneumonia?" ::)

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13 years ago
"staffordshirechina" wrote:

Mr C's uncle Roy used to keep a break detector, new ramming stick, new cable and two new powder cans in his main level ready for if the Inspector came. They were hung up on wires like a museum exhibit.


Now why dosn't that surprise me 😉
He's very much missed - his ME6 is on the shelf in front of me.
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