Boy Engineer
13 years ago
Well that's answered the "What do I get her for Christmas" conundrum. Glad I didn't buy the Black Avalanche book at the weekend.
Morlock
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13 years ago
:lol: :lol: :lol:
mistericeman
13 years ago
Nice to see ....
I bought one of those as well as some other NCB stuff along with volumes 1/2 Deputies manuals embossed with Ayle colliery in the front page,when me and the Mrs were up in Alston earlier in the year.
We even took a drive up to the colliery site to have a look .
Nice bit of local history .
Morlock
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13 years ago
Managed to pick this up when the local pit shut, lots of handy info.
Also managed to get two NR stretchers and charging rack for SWCRO (as named then).

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rikj
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13 years ago
Scan of the flame shapes for reference. Kindly given to me by Kev/market man.

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Boy Engineer
13 years ago
That scan has potentially ruined the surprise. I hope my wife isn't watching the thread.
rhychydwr
13 years ago
DELETE EXPLETIVE sold for £12.50
Cutting coal in my spare time.
Morlock
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13 years ago
"Boy Engineer" wrote:

That scan has potentially ruined the surprise. I hope my wife isn't watching the thread.



Add a butane lighter to the gift so she can play with flame caps.
rhychydwr
13 years ago
Does anyone know off hand, what is the minimum percentage of methane in air that will explode? Also at what percentage will it just burn?

Will save me from experimenting.

Cutting coal in my spare time.
owd git
13 years ago
put it on u tube; start at 14% and increase @ 5% intervals :lol:

O.G.
rufenig
13 years ago
Google is your friend!!!!!!! :smartass: :smartass: :smartass:

Lower Explosive Limit

Lower Explosive Limit (LEL): The lowest concentration (percentage) of a gas or a vapor in air capable of producing a flash of fire in presence of an ignition source (arc, flame, heat). At a concentration in air below the LEL there is not enough fuel to continue an explosion. Concentrations lower than the LEL are "too lean" to explode but may still deflagrate. Methane gas has a LEL of 4.4% (at 138 degrees C) by volume, meaning 4.4% of the total volume of the air consists of methane. At 20 degrees C the LEL is 5.1 % by volume. If the atmosphere has less than 5.1% methane, an explosion cannot occur even if a source of ignition is present. When methane (CH4) concentration reaches 5.1% an explosion can occur if there is an ignition source. LEL concentrations vary greatly between combustible gases.

Percentage reading on combustible air monitors should not be confused with the LEL concentrations. Explosimeters designed and calibrated to a specific gas may show the relative concentration of the atmosphere to the LEL - the LEL being 100%. A 5% displayed LEL reading for methane, for example, would be equivalent to 5.1% multiplied by 5%, or approximately 0.25% methane by volume at 20 degrees C. Control of the explosion hazard is usually achieved by sufficient natural or mechanical ventilation, to limit the concentration of flammable gases or vapors to a maximum level of 25% of their Lower Explosive or Flammable Limit.
[edit] Upper Explosive Limit

Upper Explosive Limit (UEL): Highest concentration (percentage) of a gas or a vapor in air capable of producing a flash of fire in presence of an ignition source (arc, flame, heat). Concentration higher than UFL or UEL are "too rich" to burn.
Morlock
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13 years ago
Not quite that simple in non-standard air mixes. :smartass:

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Phil Ford
13 years ago
Explosive range of Methane CH4 is 5 to 15 %
staffordshirechina
13 years ago
As Phil says, standard NCB teaching is 5 - 15%.

The problem with saying it only burns above 15% is that when the burning reduces the mix down to 15% it may then explode.

Wasn't there an experiment at school in chemistry where you fill a tin with gas, light the gas via a small hole in the top of the tin lid. When the gas remaining dilutes down to 15% - bang and the lid flies off>
Morlock
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13 years ago
"staffordshirechina" wrote:

As Phil says, standard NCB teaching is 5 - 15%.



Looking at the books distribution list, (and its technical content) it appears to be targeted at persons who require an insight above 'standard'?
staffordshirechina
13 years ago
Standard teaching refers more to the Ebay item than your book.
Looking at the distribution list, I bet very few of those on the list ever even opened that book.
Probably only the ventilation officers just before they went for a job interview!
Morlock
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13 years ago
"staffordshirechina" wrote:

Standard teaching refers more to the Ebay item than your book.
Looking at the distribution list, I bet very few of those on the list ever even opened that book.
Probably only the ventilation officers just before they went for a job interview!



I think you are correct on all points, specially the last one 😉
Buckhill
13 years ago
And of course there is also the effect of pressure.

Firedamp/methane under pressure can be explosive at from 2 to 76% by volume, e.g when compressed by shotfiring. A seemingly safe "low" concentration could ignite at a break in a shot hole and spread elsewhere - something else not usually explained in general NCB training.
Morlock
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13 years ago
A NCB Deputy told me about the hole break detector thingy, he seemed to imply that its use was not routine when firing in coal?

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